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Mar 27 2016, 06:41 PM
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Mar 26 2016, 12:36 PM
I still think you lose some recruits when you already have studs in place like Schiller, Storley, Ness, Dardaines. PSU maybe hasn't felt it yet but they are bound to. I don't think it's always recruiting ability as much as what's available whether it be scholly, education, wrestling partners, opportunity to start, enviroment, etc.
False, you don't lose recruits when you have AA's returning in their projected weight. Look at PSU.
I am a tender foot in regards to MN's recruiting class. I can say from an outsiders perspective, I personally have admired the job the MN coaching staff has done. J-Rob is a respected coach by all of his piers and wrestling fans outside of MN. The last couple of years have been rough. And at some point the drums of change need to be beaten. Just not now IMO.

Again, just my 2ct . I'm a WI fan. You folks don't know suffering. I'll trade you Barry Davis for J-Rob in a heart beat.
Did you get that Hodge thread taken down?
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Back to the topic at hand.

Brandon Metz, West Fargo HWT. Probably the 4-6th best recruit at his weight next year. Any chance MN gets him?
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Mar 29 2016, 09:45 AM
Back to the topic at hand.

Brandon Metz, West Fargo HWT. Probably the 4-6th best recruit at his weight next year. Any chance MN gets him?
I wouldnt think we'd spend any money on HWT this year. We have two guys in the room.
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Anyone have a membership to Flo?

There is some kind of audio convo between a couple of their guys talking about Reenan...I think MI is high on his list. Didn't listen to it, but the conversations in the comments section discuss only MI.
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You dont need flo pro to listen to FRL. It is on itunes/stitcher or you can listen on flo if you just have an account(don't need flo pro). MN was not on the list of teams they knew were in on Reenan.
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Talks about NC State, Ohio State, ASU and possibly a Nebraska or Lehigh as possible destinations for Reenan. Looking at 165, then 174.

They think decision could come in a couple weeks.

I thought he was going to OTC for a year.
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Never mind.

Duplicate post
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Mar 29 2016, 12:34 PM
Talks about NC State, Ohio State, ASU and possibly a Nebraska or Lehigh as possible destinations for Reenan. Looking at 165, then 174.

They think decision could come in a couple weeks.

I thought he was going to OTC for a year.
I'd be shocked if Ohio state had the money
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Mar 29 2016, 12:34 PM
Talks about NC State, Ohio State, ASU and possibly a Nebraska or Lehigh as possible destinations for Reenan. Looking at 165, then 174.

They think decision could come in a couple weeks.

I thought he was going to OTC for a year.
I'd be shocked if Ohio state had the money
Just like PSU didn't for Mark?
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Mar 29 2016, 12:34 PM
Talks about NC State, Ohio State, ASU and possibly a Nebraska or Lehigh as possible destinations for Reenan. Looking at 165, then 174.

They think decision could come in a couple weeks.

I thought he was going to OTC for a year.
I'd be shocked if Ohio state had the money
Just like PSU didn't for Mark?
I think Angry Fish answers all PSU questions now. Hes earned it and clearly as an outsider of the program knows more about PSU shinanigans than crop or psuf. I'd send him a PM to find out.
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Mar 29 2016, 08:37 AM
The coaching staff being the salesmen and deal makers, would be to their advantage to keep all scholarships private. It gets pretty funny listening to people talk about full rides all the time, when they are relatively rare in a sport that only has 9.9 scholarships for an entire team.

I really don't think being transparent about scholarships is needed as it might entitle people such as Dusty to bash an individual even more. What next, you have to list what each student has qualified for in financial aid? Seems like a breach of privacy. These are student athletes, not professional athletes.
I agree. Let the kids and the parents say whatever they want. I can't imagine anything positive that would come from publishing scholarship amounts.

10 scholarships spread across 5 years worth of kids.. You do the math...

Just fyi, as it's been discussed before, an in-state full-ride may only use up 3/4 of a scholarship.
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So they get 9.9 out of state tuition rate level of money for those scholarships?
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Mar 29 2016, 03:03 PM
So they get 9.9 out of state tuition rate level of money for those scholarships?
No. 35% to an in state kid plus 35% to an out of state kid nets the same as 70% to a single in state or 70% to a single out of state kid towards the 9.9 limit. Of course the actual dollar amounts are different in each case and would effect each kid/family differently. The 9.9 limit is not concerned with actual dollar amounts to each kid, just percentages of scholarship amount to each individual and in state or out of state doesn't matter.

So because out of state tuition is higher than in state, 50% to an in state kid may be a smaller actual dollar amount to 50% to an out of state kid but its a better deal to the in state kid because of money left for the family to pay. In state or out of state it's still half a scholarship against the 9.9.

The above only applied to athletic scholarships. Other money outside of that (academic/need based/other non athletic dollars) don't count against the 9.9.
So a lot of the "full rides" are not actually 100% athletic scholarships so they are not a full 1 against the 9.9. The families shouldn't care how the money is packaged just what's left, if anything, for them to pay.

For a program there is nothing to gain by making that info public knowlege but plenty of bad can come from it.
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Thanks for the info, PBSlim.
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Anyone got any predictions for the upcoming recruiting class?
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It's almost hard to say who we should be going after. Unless someone leaves, we should have a solid guy in place at every weight for the next couple years. We don't have a lot of all-stars, but we also don't have a lot of holes. I would like to grab a solid guy with a high ceiling at 133 just for some insurance in case Mckee can't make the cut, and I think that we need someone in the 157-174 range to either fill in after Kingsley or to put Wanzek on the bench. If we got just Jones and Berge, that would be almost enough, I have a feeling that we didn't free up a lot of scholarship money with graduation this year. It would also be to grab a guy like Sjomeling or Aldrich and Teddy Pierce might end up here due to his father's influence.
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It's almost hard to say who we should be going after. Unless someone leaves, we should have a solid guy in place at every weight for the next couple years. We don't have a lot of all-stars, but we also don't have a lot of holes. I would like to grab a solid guy with a high ceiling at 133 just for some insurance in case Mckee can't make the cut, and I think that we need someone in the 157-174 range to either fill in after Kingsley or to put Wanzek on the bench. If we got just Jones and Berge, that would be almost enough, I have a feeling that we didn't free up a lot of scholarship money with graduation this year. It would also be to grab a guy like Sjomeling or Aldrich and Teddy Pierce might end up here due to his father's influence.
Berge is a must get in that 165-174 range. Jones and Aldrich are very good wrestlers, but I don't know how hard they are being recruited by the U of MN.

I think Jones has better FS/GR credentials right? He also might grow out of 125 and be that 133lber you mentioned. But I'd much rather get Vega this year and let Lizak wrestle 125 till McKee grows and Thorn graduates...but I also think both Jones and Aldrich could be huge beneficiaries of the 3 class system....I know people won't like this, but I think if there were 2 classes, I think at most they'd be 2x champs. I don't have the stats to back it up, just eyeball and memory--but I don't think they have dominated as much as say Kingsley did in HS (and he has struggled in D1), or even Short and Wanzek who will struggle to ever get to the podium. I know those three aren't Jones and Aldrich, but I think the point is that not every 4x champ (like Jones and Aldrich probably will be at this time next year) in MN is even D1 caliber. Furthermore, their expectations on scholarship $$ might be higher than we could afford.

For example, look at Bengston---he might not AA at NDSU and he was a damn good AAA-4x champ.....Eric Sanders was a 5xA champ and he wasn't a D1 AA (They were transitioning during his time at NDSU for some of those years).

If we get either Jones or Aldrich, I'll cheer him/them on and will hope they are successful at the U of MN, but I don't know if they are recruiting them and don't know if they will be the stud D1 starter/AA that we need...
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Our best wrestler this year was a one time state champ in class A. I think someone's success in college says more about their character and work ethic than it does about their high school accomplishments. Accomplishments still help accelerate your recruiting profile but everybody knows there isn't a direct correlation that indicates college success. I wouldn't avoid a recruit though because someone else with similar credentials did not meet expectations. Everybody is different.
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It's almost hard to say who we should be going after. Unless someone leaves, we should have a solid guy in place at every weight for the next couple years. We don't have a lot of all-stars, but we also don't have a lot of holes. I would like to grab a solid guy with a high ceiling at 133 just for some insurance in case Mckee can't make the cut, and I think that we need someone in the 157-174 range to either fill in after Kingsley or to put Wanzek on the bench. If we got just Jones and Berge, that would be almost enough, I have a feeling that we didn't free up a lot of scholarship money with graduation this year. It would also be to grab a guy like Sjomeling or Aldrich and Teddy Pierce might end up here due to his father's influence.
Berge is a must get in that 165-174 range. Jones and Aldrich are very good wrestlers, but I don't know how hard they are being recruited by the U of MN.

I think Jones has better FS/GR credentials right? He also might grow out of 125 and be that 133lber you mentioned. But I'd much rather get Vega this year and let Lizak wrestle 125 till McKee grows and Thorn graduates...but I also think both Jones and Aldrich could be huge beneficiaries of the 3 class system....I know people won't like this, but I think if there were 2 classes, I think at most they'd be 2x champs. I don't have the stats to back it up, just eyeball and memory--but I don't think they have dominated as much as say Kingsley did in HS (and he has struggled in D1), or even Short and Wanzek who will struggle to ever get to the podium. I know those three aren't Jones and Aldrich, but I think the point is that not every 4x champ (like Jones and Aldrich probably will be at this time next year) in MN is even D1 caliber. Furthermore, their expectations on scholarship $$ might be higher than we could afford.

For example, look at Bengston---he might not AA at NDSU and he was a damn good AAA-4x champ.....Eric Sanders was a 5xA champ and he wasn't a D1 AA (They were transitioning during his time at NDSU for some of those years).

If we get either Jones or Aldrich, I'll cheer him/them on and will hope they are successful at the U of MN, but I don't know if they are recruiting them and don't know if they will be the stud D1 starter/AA that we need...
Should they go straight to Augsburg and save you the agrevation later?
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It's almost hard to say who we should be going after. Unless someone leaves, we should have a solid guy in place at every weight for the next couple years. We don't have a lot of all-stars, but we also don't have a lot of holes. I would like to grab a solid guy with a high ceiling at 133 just for some insurance in case Mckee can't make the cut, and I think that we need someone in the 157-174 range to either fill in after Kingsley or to put Wanzek on the bench. If we got just Jones and Berge, that would be almost enough, I have a feeling that we didn't free up a lot of scholarship money with graduation this year. It would also be to grab a guy like Sjomeling or Aldrich and Teddy Pierce might end up here due to his father's influence.
Berge is a must get in that 165-174 range. Jones and Aldrich are very good wrestlers, but I don't know how hard they are being recruited by the U of MN.

I think Jones has better FS/GR credentials right? He also might grow out of 125 and be that 133lber you mentioned. But I'd much rather get Vega this year and let Lizak wrestle 125 till McKee grows and Thorn graduates...but I also think both Jones and Aldrich could be huge beneficiaries of the 3 class system....I know people won't like this, but I think if there were 2 classes, I think at most they'd be 2x champs. I don't have the stats to back it up, just eyeball and memory--but I don't think they have dominated as much as say Kingsley did in HS (and he has struggled in D1), or even Short and Wanzek who will struggle to ever get to the podium. I know those three aren't Jones and Aldrich, but I think the point is that not every 4x champ (like Jones and Aldrich probably will be at this time next year) in MN is even D1 caliber. Furthermore, their expectations on scholarship $$ might be higher than we could afford.

For example, look at Bengston---he might not AA at NDSU and he was a damn good AAA-4x champ.....Eric Sanders was a 5xA champ and he wasn't a D1 AA (They were transitioning during his time at NDSU for some of those years).

If we get either Jones or Aldrich, I'll cheer him/them on and will hope they are successful at the U of MN, but I don't know if they are recruiting them and don't know if they will be the stud D1 starter/AA that we need...
My thinking is that Aldrich and Sjomeling would add depth and could end up surprising some people. I don't expect them to contribute right away but they're the kind of guy who could end up being very good. I like getting Jones because he's proven, he has a very talented little brother, and is from a school that's going to pump out a lot of DI talent in the next few years. Worst case scenario, he's a Sam Brancale type and can provide some good depth.
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Our best wrestler this year was a one time state champ in class A. I think someone's success in college says more about their character and work ethic than it does about their high school accomplishments. Accomplishments still help accelerate your recruiting profile but everybody knows there isn't a direct correlation that indicates college success. I wouldn't avoid a recruit though because someone else with similar credentials did not meet expectations. Everybody is different.
Exactly.

There are a lot of distractions when you get to college. Some kids who have worked hard their entire lives and experienced extreme success at the high school level may suddenly have a desire for other experiences that life has to offer. I'm not here to judge...just stating what I've seen. Others who have worked hard throughout high school but were not 3,4,5X state champs may have a stronger desire to achieve at the next level and view it as a "fresh start" to accomplish something better than they did at the high school level. There are obvious exceptions (Mark Hall, etc..Slam dunk) but the top 20 guys in the nation in high school all have the talent to be good/great at the next level. As a recruiter I would want to key in on those who have a burning passion and desire to be great wrestlers -- at all costs--- social media, friends, girls, drinking, school work, etc. Yup. I said it. School work. If they can and want to do great is school that is good but I want people who are committed to wrestling above all else. They get good enough grades to be eligible. I also want guys who never ever ever quit and just want to keep hustling and attacking from all positions.
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As a recruiter I would want to key in on those who have a burning passion and desire to be great wrestlers -- at all costs--- social media, friends, girls, drinking, school work, etc. Yup. I said it. School work. If they can and want to do great is school that is good but I want people who are committed to wrestling above all else. They get good enough grades to be eligible.
It's really a sad statement on D1 athletics (and I know that there have been exceptions) but that has been my observation too.

In general, the guys that do the best, put wrestling ahead of everything else. East, sleep, and live wrestling - 24 hours/day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
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As a recruiter I would want to key in on those who have a burning passion and desire to be great wrestlers -- at all costs--- social media, friends, girls, drinking, school work, etc. Yup. I said it. School work. If they can and want to do great is school that is good but I want people who are committed to wrestling above all else. They get good enough grades to be eligible.
It's really a sad statement on D1 athletics (and I know that there have been exceptions) but that has been my observation too.

In general, the guys that do the best, put wrestling ahead of everything else. East, sleep, and live wrestling - 24 hours/day, 7 days a week, 265 days a year.
100 days off a year doesn't sound horrible ;)
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Jones will be a good d1 wrestler I think. Getting him may help with lloyd as well.
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As a recruiter I would want to key in on those who have a burning passion and desire to be great wrestlers -- at all costs--- social media, friends, girls, drinking, school work, etc. Yup. I said it. School work. If they can and want to do great is school that is good but I want people who are committed to wrestling above all else. They get good enough grades to be eligible.
It's really a sad statement on D1 athletics (and I know that there have been exceptions) but that has been my observation too.

In general, the guys that do the best, put wrestling ahead of everything else. East, sleep, and live wrestling - 24 hours/day, 7 days a week, 265 days a year.
Agreed. "put wresting ahead of everything else." Those are the guys I would want as a recruiter IF my primary goal was winning. If my goal (as a coach) was to help guide student/athletes into their lives (as wrestlers, students, adults, husbands, fathers, employees, etc.) then getting athletes who "eat, sleep and live wrestling" may not be my primary objective.
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Garrett Hammond has transfered to Drexel.
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Should they go straight to Augsburg and save you the agrevation later? [/quote]Do you mean aggravation? :)

I think they should go to wherever they feel they can be successful at. Like I said, if that is the U of MN, so be it... I will cheer them on.

I just hope we get Vega.
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Anyone got any predictions for the upcoming recruiting class?
I do not have a prediction but I do hope we try to get Jacob Warner, Washington IL 182. I have no idea if we are even trying to get him. I just think 184 is a need.
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Anyone got any predictions for the upcoming recruiting class?
I do not have a prediction but I do hope we try to get Jacob Warner, Washington IL 182. I have no idea if we are even trying to get him. I just think 184 is a need.
I think we recruited Kris Williams out of Washington IL last season. PBS can correct me if I am stating the wrong town. We like IL boys and are familiar with the school so I would guess they showed some level of interest.
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Anyone got any predictions for the upcoming recruiting class?
I do not have a prediction but I do hope we try to get Jacob Warner, Washington IL 182. I have no idea if we are even trying to get him. I just think 184 is a need.
I think we recruited Kris Williams out of Washington IL last season. PBS can correct me if I am stating the wrong town. We like IL boys and are familiar with the school so I would guess they showed some level of interest.
Williams was not from Washington. He was from the Dolton area.
OPRF and Washington are pretty tight nit and do a lot of training together in the off season.
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