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| Work4ATurn | May 19 2016, 09:10 PM Post #1201 |
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I love this kid! He's tough as nails and fears nobody! He's only wrestled the best wrestlers put in front of him and participates in all the highest level of competition this sport has to offer for a kid his age!! I can't wait for him to don the maroon and gold! |
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| PapaBearSLIM | May 20 2016, 07:02 AM Post #1202 |
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Actually the standards for initial NCAA eligibility have not been lowered. The change that affects the class of 16 and forward requires kids on the lower end of the test score/grade spectrum to sit the 1st year. They are still eligible for athletic scholarships and can train with the team but are unable to compete as true freshman. According to the chart found here the minimum test score/gpa standards are not changed, it just requires an "academic redshirt" for the kids at the low end: http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/future/test-scores This new caveat won't effect wrestling as much as most other sports because of the high number of wrestlers that redshirt as freshman anyway. The only wrestlers it would catch would be those that are both expected to start as true freshman and fall on that low end of the eligibility scale. I think this will cause some additional strain on sports that are used to only budgeting 4 years of scholarship money for most of their athletes. It will be really interesting to see what happens with some of the "1 and done" basketball players as I don't see many coaches willing to give a ride to a kid that is not expected to ever compete on the team. There are already some of these guys that opt to compete for a year overseas before the NBA and I will suspect that the sure to be increased numbers choosing this route in the future will be in some part due to this new rule |
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| grappler6 | May 20 2016, 08:41 AM Post #1203 |
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Thanks slim. A wealth of knowledge as always! |
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| grappler6 | May 20 2016, 10:12 AM Post #1204 |
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http://iowawrestlingblog.com Interview with Warner. Still considering MN but feels like a stretch. This interview to me implies he is going to Iowa. |
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| DMC | May 20 2016, 12:23 PM Post #1205 |
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Which will be when? Maybe in two years when Gabel comes but a lot could happen during that time. Let him wrestle and make some noise. Lizak, McKee, and Thorn would be a great triple threat! |
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| Get after it | May 20 2016, 12:33 PM Post #1206 |
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If he's ready to go send him out there. As many before have stated health isn't always guaranteed in college wrestling, so if he's able to compete then I think he should get the nod. Wait until Gable comes? Except then Gable goes somewhere else and that plan is shot. It's good to see how some of the guys are wrestling this summer. I don't see a championship caliber team any time in the near future, but I definitely see a lineup that looks to be improving and that's always a positive. Hopefully they can make some noise this weekend. |
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| DWB79 | May 20 2016, 05:05 PM Post #1207 |
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How would you describe your style of wrestling Always looking to score points. I am not a big fan of low scoring matches. I like to go out there and rack up as many points as I can. Those are the best matches when you can go out there and score and score and score. Having an attacking mindset. When that is his answer to that question, then you need him to stay away from Brandon Eggum and his penchant for turning high scoring, exciting wrestlers into 3-2 clones of himself...(a la Schlatter, Storley). I'd love to have him, but I'm sure Steveson will go up after this year to 195, so if the rumors are true that Webster might not make it academically into the U...then we will need a 184lber. Now just need to find some new coaches... I'm sure Grappler6 will come on here and make a smartass comment and he probably also thinks Terry Ryan should keep his job after this year. |
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| wrestlinfanatic | May 20 2016, 08:08 PM Post #1208 |
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Dusty maybe you could coach the gophers, and run the twins. You know everything...or know someone that does. |
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| BoogieChillen | May 20 2016, 08:31 PM Post #1209 |
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Grappler6 might make a smartass comment - but as my Dad would say, "being a smartass is better than being a dumbass"! |
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| MNRodent | May 20 2016, 08:53 PM Post #1210 |
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Dusty, I went back and looked at Eggum's matches and saw only a couple 3-2 matches his entire career. Lots of 8-1, 9-3, 12-5, and yes a few techs and pins, although he was not known as a pinner. That confirms my memory that he was very dominate with the td game. You probably didn't see most of his matches though since you were involved with your own career at the time. |
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| gopherfan149 | May 20 2016, 09:29 PM Post #1211 |
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Just more proof everything is piss and vinegar in dwb world. Try having a positive thought once in awhile. |
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| DWB79 | May 20 2016, 10:41 PM Post #1212 |
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I've never said I was good enough to be a Gopher or coach them, but I'm sick of seeing dominant guys like Schlatter, Storley and Nelson (even though he won 2 titles), fall short in ways that dominant guys from other programs don't. Nelson by his Sr. year should have absolutely dominant----I think he should have beating Gwiz... Look at Ed Ruth at 184 as a Sr. and Nelson as a Sr.---2 2x champs at the time, both physically gifted...Nelson took like what 5 or so losses and several other close matches....I think Dean beat Ruth once but Ruth had like 28 or 29 bonus point wins.....out of 34. Nelson had something like 15-18ish.. Schlatter and Storley came in as exciting freshman and Storley struggled at times with igniting his offense against top level guys. The coaches do a really good job finding diamonds in the rough---making guys you don't expect to be starters or AA's (like Steiny and Pfarr), but it is frustrating to see the low scoring matches, our dominant wrestlers not being anything like the dominant guys across the country and also some of the recruiting (too narrowly Midwestern, losing recruiting battles for really top talent from outside the MW). And when we have gotten some top guys, they don't pan out....losing Hall was huge. People that attack non-homers are pretty insecure about their team....can't handle the truth. I hope I'm wrong about the future but I'm no longer a homer optimistic... I can't think of any of the dominant teams that have their whole coaching staff be alum of the school. Some things gotta change....training, stylistic, personnel....something. |
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| grappler6 | May 21 2016, 01:46 AM Post #1213 |
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DWB nobody is forcing you to be a MN wrestling fan. |
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| The Rock | May 21 2016, 06:27 AM Post #1214 |
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How can you compare 184 to 285??? I think Nelson placed 6, 1st, 1st and 2nd which puts him in the top 5% of college wrestlers. Do you really think the coaches coach the wrestlers to go out and not try to score points???? That's like telling a right handed pitcher to start pitching with his left hand. Just doesn't work!!! I don't know what goes on in the wrestling room I only know what I know from talking with some of the gopher wrestlers and what I hear is J is very good at taking what they already know and build on it and being Mentally tough... Does that work on everyone? Probably not... I know for a fact that J doesn't look back on his successes he looks at what he has and looks ahead. |
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| stmabooster | May 21 2016, 06:30 AM Post #1215 |
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The Gopher coaches did everything but beg Logan and Dustin to open up their offense. I think both of those men felt very confident in their mat wrestling and believed that against the best wrestlers a low scoring match was to their advantage. Same with Tony. You always mention these three but forget to mention all of the successful Gophers that did lots of scoring. |
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| barney2000 | May 21 2016, 01:16 PM Post #1216 |
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The guys Nelson and Storley were wrestling are pretty good. As good as Nelson and Storley are they are not like Jordan Burroughs and can blast double at will. It is what it is. They had stellar careers. Not everyone can be 4x NCAA D1 champs. Its not the coaches or the wrestlers fault it takes a special athlete to have that level of success. Get over it. |
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| gopherfan149 | May 21 2016, 01:34 PM Post #1217 |
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I like how people say we failed four time AAs |
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| PapaBearSLIM | May 21 2016, 01:54 PM Post #1218 |
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He's not. Also obviously lacking hugs and bacon in his life. |
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| BoogieChillen | May 21 2016, 04:41 PM Post #1219 |
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DWB does bring up a good point about the coaching only being in system. I do think they need to bring in a coach or two from another program. Bring in Tervel. |
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| DWB79 | May 21 2016, 06:09 PM Post #1220 |
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[/quote]How can you compare 184 to 285??? I think Nelson placed 6, 1st, 1st and 2nd which puts him in the top 5% of college wrestlers. I compare 184 to 285 cause they are two of the three highest weights and were both reigning 2x champs at the time. Nelson had probably the best physique since Brock Lesnar at the Hwt. weight class...I didn't expect him to be as fluid as David Taylor or cradle as much Ruth did, but one thing I thought he could have "borrowed" from both Burroughs but a bit more so Lesnar is the blast double. There were VERY FEW Hwts. that probably have the defensive skill to stop that (if people remember Lesnar much)....he was an absolute, naturally built dude (not saying Lesnar used steroids in ND for sure, but there were rumors back in the day)...I just think with the right mind set, encouragement and technique, a blast double by Nelson would have made him an absolute terror on his feet with his defense as well. Furthermore I think he was a VERY good wrestler, my observation and minimal critique of him and his Sr. year was just wishing he would have been a bit more dominant like some of the other 2-3x champs we've seen around the NCAA lately. Do you really think the coaches coach the wrestlers to go out and not try to score points???? I think it is possible that coaches could be more conservative then some other top flight coaches. The old school IA way (which was what J was credited with "bringing to MN" in the 80's) was a grind'em down style, yes at times you could score a lot if you wore them down--much like CD did w/Richards in that one comeback or Sanders did on occasion. Schlatter was pretty exciting as a true freshman, and was one of the top recruits coming out of HS. Watching how the top recruits adapt to Cael's "style" makes me wonder if Schlatter was younger and went to PSU instead, would he have continued to score bonus points like DT and Ruth did? He's not. Also obviously lacking hugs and bacon in his life. I am a fan. Just cause I am critical of the team and some past performance doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I'm just not an absolute homer that sticks his head in the sand and sees no faults, will not vocalize any criticism and has drank so much maroon and gold Kool-Aid that I believe that at this stage in their partnership that J and Eggum will lead them to titles. Call me a realist or pragmatist, but I am not optimistic as I used to be. Edited by DWB79, May 21 2016, 06:11 PM.
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| PapaBearSLIM | May 21 2016, 07:40 PM Post #1221 |
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Hugs and bacon make everything better. |
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| Cradleking | May 22 2016, 02:31 PM Post #1222 |
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Konrad, blast double ? Probably the coaches fault. Did someone say bacon ? |
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| MNRodent | May 22 2016, 02:45 PM Post #1223 |
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McKee and Fix seem to be friends. One can hope for a steal out of Oklahoma :D :D |
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| gopherfan149 | May 22 2016, 05:24 PM Post #1224 |
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Blast doubles at hwt... Someone isn't giving enough credit to the rest of the hwts in the big ten? |
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| wrestlinfanatic | May 22 2016, 11:40 PM Post #1225 |
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I had the same hope with Mark being good friends with Bobby and Gable...but unfortunately it didn't matter. |
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| Wildcatman | May 23 2016, 11:41 AM Post #1226 |
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Was about thirty feet away when Konrad did a nice blast double right through Matt Fields' knee to end the Iowa match in 2006. Edited by Wildcatman, May 23 2016, 11:42 AM.
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| izzman | May 23 2016, 11:53 AM Post #1227 |
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I would like to also bring up that Tony Nelson wrestled with a blown out shoulder most of his senior year if not all of it. He also had a bum knee that he suffered in his semifinal match his senior year. Even with all of that it took a takedown with less than 30 seconds left by Gwiz to beat him. Should we also blame the NC State coaching staff for Gwiz losing in the finals his senior year? Now I do agree with many of our wrestlers starting out on such a high note and really tailing off or seemingly regressing. Whether that is coaching or the wrestler himself I do not know, but with wrestling being an individual sport the wrestler has the final say on whether or not they are going to be aggressive or not. |
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| jammen | May 23 2016, 01:03 PM Post #1228 |
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At least the Thread That Shall Not Be Named has died a quiet death. |
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| Lloyd Christmas | May 23 2016, 01:41 PM Post #1229 |
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Mark made his decision on 11/11/15. Every other potential recruit, since that November day, has had someone smear Mark Hall's name on their thread, with their version of Chicken Little. Give it a rest, please. -_- |
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| CropDuster | May 23 2016, 02:14 PM Post #1230 |
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I'm trying to play nice in the sandbox. Don't poke the bear if you don't want it to roar. B) |
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