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Topic Started: Dec 31 2014, 07:48 PM (944,712 Views)
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May 28 2016, 10:43 AM
I wouldn't be sending my boys to the Gophers.
Seriously???? You think this is the only college that has issues??? I don't think you could find a college that doesn't have problems or high school for that matter. You might just as well home school them unless of course you have problems at home.

The coach made a choice which he felt was the right thing to do and I can't fault him for making a choice. I would be more upset if he did nothing.

The wrestling team and the administration staff is lucky to have a coach like him and I bet if you talked to the wrestlers they would probably agree.........
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And the wrestlers parents.
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Two things I'll throw in to the pot.

What came to light this past weekend is a huge downer, really just an unfortunate situation and what will come from it is unknown. What is more unfortunate in my opinion is how most people on here are mainly concerned with how this will affect our recruiting, or an easy way to get a new coaching staff. I love sports and college wrestling and the Gophers are at the top at that list, but sometimes things are more important than recruiting or a championship, like getting these kids help in whatever way they need. Heck, that's how PSU football got to where they did, they put winning in front of everything.

DWB, it is no secret that Schlatter was not the same after his sophomore year, plagued by injury his final few years, not to mention he had some GREAT wrestlers join his weight class.

Storley wrestled at 174 because he didn't want to cut to 65 and had a career where he had three or 4 other guys that were neck and neck. And all of those guys wrestled close. Put him at 65 and maybe he wins one, and is more dominate.

Nelson is a HVY weight who also had some great competition. Other than Snyder how many heavys dominate by way of a ton of points. And it's not like Nelson didn't AA as a senior, he lost a close finals match to a guy who went on to win 2 titles, and then lost in his senior year.
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May 28 2016, 01:59 PM
JohnJergens
May 28 2016, 10:43 AM
I wouldn't be sending my boys to the Gophers.
I hate to tell you, but your boys will be exposed to many illegal and dangerous substances no matter where they go to school. The question is how would you want the coach to handle the situation if it was your son.

a. turn them over to the police at the first indication of trouble, even if it isn't true.
b. do what J did and try and intervene.
c. turn a blind eye and claim ignorance if there is a bust or overdose.

Unfortunately there is not a perfect answer.
Actually, there is ONLY one correct choice of those you listed.
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May 28 2016, 04:13 PM
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May 28 2016, 01:59 PM
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May 28 2016, 10:43 AM
I wouldn't be sending my boys to the Gophers.
I hate to tell you, but your boys will be exposed to many illegal and dangerous substances no matter where they go to school. The question is how would you want the coach to handle the situation if it was your son.

a. turn them over to the police at the first indication of trouble, even if it isn't true.
b. do what J did and try and intervene.
c. turn a blind eye and claim ignorance if there is a bust or overdose.

Unfortunately there is not a perfect answer.
Actually, there is ONLY one correct choice of those you listed.
Which is?
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Best thing that can happen for recruiting is for JRob to step down and they hire a high-profile coach. I'm kind of scared that it won't happen and this will drag out, we will have a horrible season once again, and the wrestling program will be lucky to see the top 15.
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May 28 2016, 04:02 PM
Storley wrestled at 174 because he didn't want to cut to 65 and had a career where he had three or 4 other guys that were neck and neck. And all of those guys wrestled close. Put him at 65 and maybe he wins one, and is more dominate.

Gosh, I think someone actually suggested that years ago.
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May 28 2016, 10:43 AM
I wouldn't be sending my boys to the Gophers.
I hate to tell you, but your boys will be exposed to many illegal and dangerous substances no matter where they go to school. The question is how would you want the coach to handle the situation if it was your son.

a. turn them over to the police at the first indication of trouble, even if it isn't true.
b. do what J did and try and intervene.
c. turn a blind eye and claim ignorance if there is a bust or overdose.

Unfortunately there is not a perfect answer.
Actually, there is ONLY one correct choice of those you listed.
Which is?
It would be the first but deleting the "even if it isn't true". Is that the case?
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May 28 2016, 01:59 PM

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Actually, there is ONLY one correct choice of those you listed.
Which is?
It would be the first but deleting the "even if it isn't true". Is that the case?
OK, but to play devils advocate, would you want the coach calling the police on your 20 year old for drinking a beer? It's illegal and they would have a minor consumption on their record. I just don't think it's that easy a decision.
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May 19 2016, 07:57 PM
After watching BTS it is mandatory that McKee start next year as a true freshmen. Only reason not to is if McKee wants a red shirt year in order to acclimate himself to college. There is nobody on the Gopher's roster that could beat him out of a starting job.
I disagree. He is the best wrestler on the team at that weight though. I'd rather he be around another year when the team is actually competing for Championships.
Which will be when? Maybe in two years when Gabel comes but a lot could happen during that time. Let him wrestle and make some noise. Lizak, McKee, and Thorn would be a great triple threat!
Am I the only one that thinks Lizak has no business wrestling a starting spot on a division 1 roster? Seems every time I watched him last year he was getting mauled by top 20 guys.
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Yes. You are the only one.
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U probably only saw him against Gilman and Nico, who are much more than top 20 guys.
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If I'm not mistaken I believe Lizak beat No. 13 Josh Rodriguez and last I looked Josh was D1...
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May 19 2016, 07:57 PM
After watching BTS it is mandatory that McKee start next year as a true freshmen. Only reason not to is if McKee wants a red shirt year in order to acclimate himself to college. There is nobody on the Gopher's roster that could beat him out of a starting job.
I disagree. He is the best wrestler on the team at that weight though. I'd rather he be around another year when the team is actually competing for Championships.
Which will be when? Maybe in two years when Gabel comes but a lot could happen during that time. Let him wrestle and make some noise. Lizak, McKee, and Thorn would be a great triple threat!
Am I the only one that thinks Lizak has no business wrestling a starting spot on a division 1 roster? Seems every time I watched him last year he was getting mauled by top 20 guys.
No business wrestling on a div 1 roster, huh!!!

As a true freshman he won 2 matches at the national tournament and made round of 16.

You may want to rethink your posting!
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Which is?
It would be the first but deleting the "even if it isn't true". Is that the case?
OK, but to play devils advocate, would you want the coach calling the police on your 20 year old for drinking a beer? It's illegal and they would have a minor consumption on their record. I just don't think it's that easy a decision.
Adding to the devil's advocate argument. In hindsight we know it was mass quantities. However what I think may have happened is J thought it was some kids selling their prescription bottles and he would handle it. After he gave them amnesty, he finds out this is a huge scale operation. Now on one hand this is a huge deal on the other hand he gave his word.

I have no idea what exactly happened but I can also see where this wasn't a simple decision.
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If I'm not mistaken I believe Lizak beat No. 13 Josh Rodriguez and last I looked Josh was D1...
He was a true freshman who got better every week. He beat Rodriguez in a great match in Fargo, than qualified for the national tournament a couple weeks later, and than won 2 matches at the big dance. But lumberjack you are free to judge him on his first couple matches vs. Top 8 guys.

He stepped in and made 125 a competitive spot when Brancle couldn't.
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It would be the first but deleting the "even if it isn't true". Is that the case?
OK, but to play devils advocate, would you want the coach calling the police on your 20 year old for drinking a beer? It's illegal and they would have a minor consumption on their record. I just don't think it's that easy a decision.
Adding to the devil's advocate argument. In hindsight we know it was mass quantities. However what I think may have happened is J thought it was some kids selling their prescription bottles and he would handle it. After he gave them amnesty, he finds out this is a huge scale operation. Now on one hand this is a huge deal on the other hand he gave his word.

I have no idea what exactly happened but I can also see where this wasn't a simple decision.
Not to mention, if all that's true, he obtained their written confession.
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Which will be when? Maybe in two years when Gabel comes but a lot could happen during that time. Let him wrestle and make some noise. Lizak, McKee, and Thorn would be a great triple threat!
Am I the only one that thinks Lizak has no business wrestling a starting spot on a division 1 roster? Seems every time I watched him last year he was getting mauled by top 20 guys.
No business wrestling on a div 1 roster, huh!!!

As a true freshman he won 2 matches at the national tournament and made round of 16.

You may want to rethink your posting!
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Am I the only one that thinks Lizak has no business wrestling a starting spot on a division 1 roster? Seems every time I watched him last year he was getting mauled by top 20 guys.
No business wrestling on a div 1 roster, huh!!!

As a true freshman he won 2 matches at the national tournament and made round of 16.

You may want to rethink your posting!
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He asked you to re think not stop posting opinions
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Am I the only one that thinks Lizak has no business wrestling a starting spot on a division 1 roster? Seems every time I watched him last year he was getting mauled by top 20 guys.
No business wrestling on a div 1 roster, huh!!!

As a true freshman he won 2 matches at the national tournament and made round of 16.

You may want to rethink your posting!
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Don't ask the question if you can't handle the answer.
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Am I the only one that thinks Lizak has no business wrestling a starting spot on a division 1 roster? Seems every time I watched him last year he was getting mauled by top 20 guys.
No business wrestling on a div 1 roster, huh!!!

As a true freshman he won 2 matches at the national tournament and made round of 16.

You may want to rethink your posting!
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So they answer your question with facts that don't agree with your opinion and you call them tools...Sounds logical to me :'(
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Mitch Mckee talking about cutting to 132 for Beat the Streets. http://www.flowrestling.org/video/978087-mitchell-mckee-cut-extra-weight-for-bts-opportunity. Not sure if you need a Flo account to view the interview or not. Will be interesting to see if he can be at 133 in college and if he is done growing.
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Mitch Mckee talking about cutting to 132 for Beat the Streets. http://www.flowrestling.org/video/978087-mitchell-mckee-cut-extra-weight-for-bts-opportunity. Not sure if you need a Flo account to view the interview or not. Will be interesting to see if he can be at 133 in college and if he is done growing.
Don't worry, I floated the opinion several times that it is possible McKee could outgrow 133 and I was blasted for it everytime. There is zero chance he outgrows 133 according to everyone else on here.
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pretty sure BTS weights were plus several kilos. Mitch cut more to get closer to scratch weight so that hopefully it would be easier to make again for the trials a few days later. That is how I interpreted it. Wherever Mitch lands weight wise he will have success.
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Going to be pretty awesome once all the smoke clears and then Gable and RBY committ and things start rolling in a positive direction again for the Gophers!

Well at least I hope!
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Going to be pretty awesome once all the smoke clears and then Gable and RBY committ and things start rolling in a positive direction again for the Gophers!

Well at least I hope!
I love it when you put your cheerleading skirt on! I just wish you would shave your legs more often. :)
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I happen to like graps legs. He must work out.
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Izzy- Perhaps you need to raise your standards a little. :)
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All I am saying is people have looked worse in skirts
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All I am saying is people have looked worse in skirts
Maybe in Iowa...
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