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Topic Started: Dec 31 2014, 07:48 PM (944,709 Views)
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I'm confident something happened, but a police report is not fact, it's just the information they had to go off of. Court is where it's proven. All this what happened what might happen still is speculation. Lets just wait and see what they decide.
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Jul 3 2016, 08:42 AM
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Jul 3 2016, 08:20 AM
Lots of speculation thrown around on here, what is this the star tribune ?
I know for a fact that a top recruit is looking at his opinions of moving on to somewhere else.
Recruits are always looking at other options. A recruit is not a sure thing until they show up at school in the fall.
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Jul 3 2016, 10:04 AM
I'm confident something happened, but a police report is not fact, it's just the information they had to go off of. Court is where it's proven. All this what happened what might happen still is speculation. Lets just wait and see what they decide.
So you don't believe the police report regarding the essays written by the suspects stating their involvement as fact? You don't believe the police report about the large about of delivers to the dorm or the fact that one of the suspects that transferred schools? You don't believe the statements regarding information found on the computers, cell phones and etc? I can understand some of the things that may be considered not factual but alot of the reports seems pretty factual to me. Now the statement by the concerned citizen (CC), is hearsay.

As a fan, I can understand the blinders but at some point fans have to be realist and understand that this type of cover up (not testing for xanax!) happens all the time. This was more about keeping things in house until after the NCAA Championships. This could've all been avoided if JRob and the U had taken care of it from day one.
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I also feel that if these were just practice room guys it would have been taken care of right away, but since it was a few prominent westlers it was taken care of in house. Seems obvious to me that the anonymous tipper and/or his family didn't like the way things were being handled and decided to bring it out in the open. Say it anyway you want, but j was protecting 4 drug dealers.
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Jul 3 2016, 11:49 AM
I also feel that if these were just practice room guys it would have been taken care of right away, but since it was a few prominent westlers it was taken care of in house. Seems obvious to me that the anonymous tipper and/or his family didn't like the way things were being handled and decided to bring it out in the open. Say it anyway you want, but j was protecting 4 drug dealers.
He was protecting his program which meant protecting those guys also.
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Jul 3 2016, 11:49 AM
I also feel that if these were just practice room guys it would have been taken care of right away, but since it was a few prominent westlers it was taken care of in house. Seems obvious to me that the anonymous tipper and/or his family didn't like the way things were being handled and decided to bring it out in the open. Say it anyway you want, but j was protecting 4 drug dealers.
He was protecting his program which meant protecting those guys also.
........by protecting drug dealers
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If this would have happened at Iowa or Penn State all the Minnesota fans would want heads to roll, but since it happened here everyone wants to give j a break.
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Well we had one thread that wasn't filled with drug talk....
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Jul 3 2016, 12:40 PM
Well we had one thread that wasn't filled with drug talk....
Unfortunately these are the things recruits and their parents are going to be hearing about when they go on their trips
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Jul 3 2016, 12:40 PM
Well we had one thread that wasn't filled with drug talk....
It's relevant to the subject at hand. The U is losing in the recruiting game until this entire ordeal is settled.
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Jul 3 2016, 12:40 PM
Well we had one thread that wasn't filled with drug talk....
Unfortunately these are the things recruits and their parents are going to be hearing about when they go on their trips
Which might not be a bad thing. You have a coach that's willing to get fired for you so you can stick to wrestling?

i agree if these were not some of their better wrestlers, they might be gone. I hate speculating but you kind of have to in these situations

I think Gabel is pretty much a lock for Minnesota since Bobby is here. I'm 90% sure this is where he will come unless Bobby leaves in one way or another. Stroker, Bobby, Gabel seem to be the best of friends, add in Mitch McKee as well
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I'm all for a coach standing up for athletes, but there is a limit, and wrestlers dealing prescription drugs is beyond the limit. They should all be suspended and/or removed from the team.
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Minnesota is still on the radar of several top recruits in the upcoming classes, despite the recent allegations. Sure the recruiters will answer a lot of questions and some that they won't have answers to. Obviously a resolution to the JRob decision would eliminate some of those questions.

I think people over estimate the amount that other coaches bash other programs. Why would a coach take time to tell kids about what is going on at MN? Any coach is smart enough to know that if MN is on a kids radar(or if they know what the Internet is) that they are probably already aware. If you have a recruits attention you should be selling your program and not spending time talking about a different one. That shows desperation to me.

Spencer Lee was very turned off by programs negatively recruiting against other schools. Check out the words Cael shared about a recruit choosing another program https://www.indianagazette.com/news/indiana-sports/high-school-wrestling-derry-standout-picks-virginia,22774185/ nothing but positive. As it should be cuz they can always change their mind and you want to keep that relationship intact.
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I'm confident something happened, but a police report is not fact, it's just the information they had to go off of. Court is where it's proven. All this what happened what might happen still is speculation. Lets just wait and see what they decide.
So you don't believe the police report regarding the essays written by the suspects stating their involvement as fact? You don't believe the police report about the large about of delivers to the dorm or the fact that one of the suspects that transferred schools? You don't believe the statements regarding information found on the computers, cell phones and etc? I can understand some of the things that may be considered not factual but alot of the reports seems pretty factual to me. Now the statement by the concerned citizen (CC), is hearsay.

As a fan, I can understand the blinders but at some point fans have to be realist and understand that this type of cover up (not testing for xanax!) happens all the time. This was more about keeping things in house until after the NCAA Championships. This could've all been avoided if JRob and the U had taken care of it from day one.
If there isn't enough for the prosecution to file then there isn't enough for me to speculate.
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gopherfan149
Jul 3 2016, 10:04 AM
I'm confident something happened, but a police report is not fact, it's just the information they had to go off of. Court is where it's proven. All this what happened what might happen still is speculation. Lets just wait and see what they decide.
So you don't believe the police report regarding the essays written by the suspects stating their involvement as fact? You don't believe the police report about the large about of delivers to the dorm or the fact that one of the suspects that transferred schools? You don't believe the statements regarding information found on the computers, cell phones and etc? I can understand some of the things that may be considered not factual but alot of the reports seems pretty factual to me. Now the statement by the concerned citizen (CC), is hearsay.

As a fan, I can understand the blinders but at some point fans have to be realist and understand that this type of cover up (not testing for xanax!) happens all the time. This was more about keeping things in house until after the NCAA Championships. This could've all been avoided if JRob and the U had taken care of it from day one.
I am not debating any of your points in your post.
As far as Xanax is concerned, it was not tested for because it is not a NCAA-banned substance.
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Jul 3 2016, 12:24 PM
If this would have happened at Iowa or Penn State all the Minnesota fans would want heads to roll, but since it happened here everyone wants to give j a break.
You do know that 39 felony/misdemeanor charges against 3 Iowa wrestlers were reduced to a misdemeanor and probation, and Iowa's recruiting is now stronger than ever.
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Jul 3 2016, 11:08 AM
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Jul 3 2016, 10:04 AM
I'm confident something happened, but a police report is not fact, it's just the information they had to go off of. Court is where it's proven. All this what happened what might happen still is speculation. Lets just wait and see what they decide.
So you don't believe the police report regarding the essays written by the suspects stating their involvement as fact? You don't believe the police report about the large about of delivers to the dorm or the fact that one of the suspects that transferred schools? You don't believe the statements regarding information found on the computers, cell phones and etc? I can understand some of the things that may be considered not factual but alot of the reports seems pretty factual to me. Now the statement by the concerned citizen (CC), is hearsay.

As a fan, I can understand the blinders but at some point fans have to be realist and understand that this type of cover up (not testing for xanax!) happens all the time. This was more about keeping things in house until after the NCAA Championships. This could've all been avoided if JRob and the U had taken care of it from day one.
If there isn't enough for the prosecution to file then there isn't enough for me to speculate.
Seriously, you are in your mid thirties if not older. You know better, but you choose to turn a blind eye to serious allegations followed by an intentional cover up to save the J Robinson brand name. I know you are not that stupid.
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I'm not turning a blind eye, I am just not speculating just letting the cops handle it.
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Jul 3 2016, 04:51 PM
I'm not turning a blind eye, I am just not speculating just letting the cops handle it.
MNdak is the cop just ask him. If you want to continue to recruit then you need to retain. Let J help these young men with life lessons and they will have a better chance to be good men.

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I appreciate what JRob has done here, but he was losing the recruiting battles the last few years anyway. This is not good for the program, let him resign but let him run the camps on campus as he'd done for years (so he can make his big bucks).

Grappler6 and gopherfan149, you two need to get your heads out of the sand. There were crimes committed, but with drug possession and sale, you have to have some drugs in order to charge them or catch them in the ACT of selling. In 13 years of reading felony complaints at work as a PO, I have NEVER seen a charge of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 5th deg. drug possession or sale that did NOT have drugs present. As I have been saying this since the beginning.

JRob is being pretty smart and probably will never be charged with anything including obstruction of the legal process (gross misdemeanor)....but doesn't mean he won't be pushed to resign, fired, suspended for a period of time and in general look pretty bad to a number of people that you'd rather have on your side (recruits and administration at your institution). Hire Hahn....we need a renaissance.
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I have to get my head out of the sand because I said I won't speculate and I will let the cops figure it out?
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Jul 3 2016, 03:41 PM
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If this would have happened at Iowa or Penn State all the Minnesota fans would want heads to roll, but since it happened here everyone wants to give j a break.
You do know that 39 felony/misdemeanor charges against 3 Iowa wrestlers were reduced to a misdemeanor and probation, and Iowa's recruiting is now stronger than ever.
Come on. This is way more concerning to a parent than the Iowa drunken stealing incident.
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*removes head from sand* DWB please find one instance that I ever declared that these weren't serious allegations? I wouldn't wish this upon any program. Obviously a black eye to the program, but I believe they will overcome it. Handcuffed until a decision on J is made. As I have stated all along, I hope a decision is make quickly so we can move forward. *places head back in sand*
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*removes head from sand* DWB please find one instance that I ever declared that these weren't serious allegations? I wouldn't wish this upon any program. Obviously a black eye to the program, but I believe they will overcome it. Handcuffed until a decision on J is made. As I have stated all along, I hope a decision is make quickly so we can move forward. *places head back in sand*
I think the point is, instead of riding the fence on this issue.....I think time for you to come to grips that JRob NEEDS to go.

Just cause they had your wife sing the National Anthem several times doesn't mean you should support the idea that he should stick around. ...you know he needs to go.

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Jul 3 2016, 10:04 AM
I'm confident something happened, but a police report is not fact, it's just the information they had to go off of. Court is where it's proven. All this what happened what might happen still is speculation. Lets just wait and see what they decide.
So you don't believe the police report regarding the essays written by the suspects stating their involvement as fact? You don't believe the police report about the large about of delivers to the dorm or the fact that one of the suspects that transferred schools? You don't believe the statements regarding information found on the computers, cell phones and etc? I can understand some of the things that may be considered not factual but alot of the reports seems pretty factual to me. Now the statement by the concerned citizen (CC), is hearsay.

As a fan, I can understand the blinders but at some point fans have to be realist and understand that this type of cover up (not testing for xanax!) happens all the time. This was more about keeping things in house until after the NCAA Championships. This could've all been avoided if JRob and the U had taken care of it from day one.
If there isn't enough for the prosecution to file then there isn't enough for me to speculate.
Seriously, you are in your mid thirties if not older. You know better, but you choose to turn a blind eye to serious allegations followed by an intentional cover up to save the J Robinson brand name. I know you are not that stupid.
What do you see in the report that shows J intentionally tried to cover this up?
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Jul 3 2016, 08:23 PM
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Jul 3 2016, 03:41 PM
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If this would have happened at Iowa or Penn State all the Minnesota fans would want heads to roll, but since it happened here everyone wants to give j a break.
You do know that 39 felony/misdemeanor charges against 3 Iowa wrestlers were reduced to a misdemeanor and probation, and Iowa's recruiting is now stronger than ever.
Come on. This is way more concerning to a parent than the Iowa drunken stealing incident.
As a Gopher parent I can say, No it isn't.
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If there isn't enough for the prosecution to file then there isn't enough for me to speculate.
Seriously, you are in your mid thirties if not older. You know better, but you choose to turn a blind eye to serious allegations followed by an intentional cover up to save the J Robinson brand name. I know you are not that stupid.
What do you see in the report that shows J intentionally tried to cover this up?
He didn't take action until the season was over. 1 1/2 months after drug activity among his wrestling team was on his radar. He cared more about wins losses and all Americans than he did about the well being of his athletes.
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*removes head from sand* DWB please find one instance that I ever declared that these weren't serious allegations? I wouldn't wish this upon any program. Obviously a black eye to the program, but I believe they will overcome it. Handcuffed until a decision on J is made. As I have stated all along, I hope a decision is make quickly so we can move forward. *places head back in sand*
I think the point is, instead of riding the fence on this issue.....I think time for you to come to grips that JRob NEEDS to go.

Just cause they had your wife sing the National Anthem several times doesn't mean you should support the idea that he should stick around. ...you know he needs to go.

What my opinion is will have no bearing on the regent's decision. Therefore, I don't NEED to come to grips with anything. I think my wife is able to contact marketing and events regardless of who the coach is. A decision will be made and time will go on as will Minnesota Wrestling.
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A big problem happened, now we're going to see how tall MN wrestling is! Everybody, including Iowa, wants us to move forward strongly.
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Hey Gfer149, how does it feel to be in your mid-30's? 🤔
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