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Has Webster been accepted at the U yet? Jeske? I hope they are doing what they need to get into the U.
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Brent Jones, Alex Lloyd, Jake Allar, Brady Berge. Would love to see the Gophers keep these 4 home.
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Then if we could add Steveson, Bravo Young, and P McKee, I think we would be back in the hunt for a national championship in a few years.
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I have always liked the Apple Valley kids, but I'll take the St. Michael kids any day. All of the Thorns have improved every year during college. Apple Valley kids seem to have peaked in high school. I am hopeful the Shakopee kids will be as successful as the St. Michael kids (for the Gophers that is)
I understand your point - people bring it up occasionally on here, but I don't think it's fair to generalize that all kids from the same school are going to fair the same in college.
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Jul 24 2016, 05:44 PM
I have always liked the Apple Valley kids, but I'll take the St. Michael kids any day. All of the Thorns have improved every year during college. Apple Valley kids seem to have peaked in high school. I am hopeful the Shakopee kids will be as successful as the St. Michael kids (for the Gophers that is)
So are you talking about STMA kids or simply one family?
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Julson seemed to excel in college too. Nice AA for ndsu
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Jul 24 2016, 05:44 PM
I have always liked the Apple Valley kids, but I'll take the St. Michael kids any day. All of the Thorns have improved every year during college. Apple Valley kids seem to have peaked in high school. I am hopeful the Shakopee kids will be as successful as the St. Michael kids (for the Gophers that is)
So are you talking about STMA kids or simply one family?
I was thinking the same thing.

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I have always liked the Apple Valley kids, but I'll take the St. Michael kids any day. All of the Thorns have improved every year during college. Apple Valley kids seem to have peaked in high school. I am hopeful the Shakopee kids will be as successful as the St. Michael kids (for the Gophers that is)
So are you talking about STMA kids or simply one family?
I was thinking the same thing.

I was referring to "most" of the young men on the team, but when I use the Thorn's as an example, how can I go wrong?
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rapidj157
Jul 24 2016, 05:44 PM
I have always liked the Apple Valley kids, but I'll take the St. Michael kids any day. All of the Thorns have improved every year during college. Apple Valley kids seem to have peaked in high school. I am hopeful the Shakopee kids will be as successful as the St. Michael kids (for the Gophers that is)
So are you talking about STMA kids or simply one family?
I was thinking the same thing.

I was referring to "most" of the young men on the team, but when I use the Thorn's as an example, how can I go wrong?
Maybe list some other all Americans from STMA to support your statement, as this is a pretty limited to one family.

One would conclude that Bloomington Kennedy has better luck with college wrestlers given the Ness brothers, Morgan Brothers and Joel Sharrett.
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I was thinking the same thing.

I was referring to "most" of the young men on the team, but when I use the Thorn's as an example, how can I go wrong?
Maybe list some other all Americans from STMA to support your statement, as this is a pretty limited to one family.

One would conclude that Bloomington Kennedy has better luck with college wrestlers given the Ness brothers, Morgan Brothers and Joel Sharrett.
You are correct sir. I guess I've just become a Thorn fan over the years. This family of wrestlers improves every year.
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Jul 25 2016, 09:15 PM
Julson seemed to excel in college too. Nice AA for ndsu
Unless I missed something, the last few comments regard STMA and AV wrestlers. Julson wrestled at Simley.
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Mitch McKee will be first NCAA champ from STMA.
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MN has to go after Jones, he's the real deal. He's already great and will only get better.
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Jul 26 2016, 06:46 PM
MN has to go after Jones, he's the real deal. He's already great and will only get better.
Him and Aldrich are probably the most underrated 3x champs in a LONG time.

I hope we get Berge cause he'd be a perfect fit and is an absolute stud and would probably fit in perfectly at 157 after Short graduates and of course the Gable/RBY combo would be fantastic the following year. I think adding Mejia and Warner would be beneficial ESPECIALLY if Webster and Jeske haven't qualified and up somewhere like Rochester CTC or Ridgewater CTC to get qualified for D1 down the road.

If we get Mejia or even Renteria to sign this fall, he will be a good challenger down the road for Lizak (if he's still around). Warner would be perfect too, Sr. year this year, then redshirt (although I'm guessing Steveson would be up at 197 that year), Anderson would probably be able to start as a Red Fr. while he redshirts.

--As long as everyone comes back this year with all the crap that happened and I assume Marko and Anderson redshirt and McKee starts at 133 this year. If the rumors are true about Jeske and Webster not able to qualify yet (hopefully a year or two at a JUCO or maybe them going going D2 or D3 will be a better fit). I sure hope Early at 165, Stroker at 149 and Steveson at 184 can really improve the lineup...

It would be great to get guys like Jones, Aldrich, and Allar in addition to Berge/Warner and Mejia would be great. Jones might be able to replace McKee when he needs to bump up after Thorn leaves, Allar may be able to grow into a 165/74 lber down the road (assuming Berge doesn't get that big either). I don't know where Aldrich would fit in? 141 could be blocked by Thorn/McKee for years...

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Mitch McKee will be first NCAA champ from STMA.
Depends on what weight the finals start at.
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Great to see you posting again PBS...you bring a lot of knowledge, insight and sarcasm to this board!
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MN has to go after Jones, he's the real deal. He's already great and will only get better.
Him and Aldrich are probably the most underrated 3x champs in a LONG time.

I hope we get Berge cause he'd be a perfect fit and is an absolute stud and would probably fit in perfectly at 157 after Short graduates and of course the Gable/RBY combo would be fantastic the following year. I think adding Mejia and Warner would be beneficial ESPECIALLY if Webster and Jeske haven't qualified and up somewhere like Rochester CTC or Ridgewater CTC to get qualified for D1 down the road.

If we get Mejia or even Renteria to sign this fall, he will be a good challenger down the road for Lizak (if he's still around). Warner would be perfect too, Sr. year this year, then redshirt (although I'm guessing Steveson would be up at 197 that year), Anderson would probably be able to start as a Red Fr. while he redshirts.

--As long as everyone comes back this year with all the crap that happened and I assume Marko and Anderson redshirt and McKee starts at 133 this year. If the rumors are true about Jeske and Webster not able to qualify yet (hopefully a year or two at a JUCO or maybe them going going D2 or D3 will be a better fit). I sure hope Early at 165, Stroker at 149 and Steveson at 184 can really improve the lineup...

It would be great to get guys like Jones, Aldrich, and Allar in addition to Berge/Warner and Mejia would be great. Jones might be able to replace McKee when he needs to bump up after Thorn leaves, Allar may be able to grow into a 165/74 lber down the road (assuming Berge doesn't get that big either). I don't know where Aldrich would fit in? 141 could be blocked by Thorn/McKee for years...

Mckee should redshirt. They better get Berge, Gable, RBY, and Warner if they want to beat Happy Valley.
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MN has to go after Jones, he's the real deal. He's already great and will only get better.
Him and Aldrich are probably the most underrated 3x champs in a LONG time.

I hope we get Berge cause he'd be a perfect fit and is an absolute stud and would probably fit in perfectly at 157 after Short graduates and of course the Gable/RBY combo would be fantastic the following year. I think adding Mejia and Warner would be beneficial ESPECIALLY if Webster and Jeske haven't qualified and up somewhere like Rochester CTC or Ridgewater CTC to get qualified for D1 down the road.

If we get Mejia or even Renteria to sign this fall, he will be a good challenger down the road for Lizak (if he's still around). Warner would be perfect too, Sr. year this year, then redshirt (although I'm guessing Steveson would be up at 197 that year), Anderson would probably be able to start as a Red Fr. while he redshirts.

--As long as everyone comes back this year with all the crap that happened and I assume Marko and Anderson redshirt and McKee starts at 133 this year. If the rumors are true about Jeske and Webster not able to qualify yet (hopefully a year or two at a JUCO or maybe them going going D2 or D3 will be a better fit). I sure hope Early at 165, Stroker at 149 and Steveson at 184 can really improve the lineup...

It would be great to get guys like Jones, Aldrich, and Allar in addition to Berge/Warner and Mejia would be great. Jones might be able to replace McKee when he needs to bump up after Thorn leaves, Allar may be able to grow into a 165/74 lber down the road (assuming Berge doesn't get that big either). I don't know where Aldrich would fit in? 141 could be blocked by Thorn/McKee for years...

I don't see Aldrich's style translating to a big 10 wrestler.
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MN has to go after Jones, he's the real deal. He's already great and will only get better.
Him and Aldrich are probably the most underrated 3x champs in a LONG time.

I hope we get Berge cause he'd be a perfect fit and is an absolute stud and would probably fit in perfectly at 157 after Short graduates and of course the Gable/RBY combo would be fantastic the following year. I think adding Mejia and Warner would be beneficial ESPECIALLY if Webster and Jeske haven't qualified and up somewhere like Rochester CTC or Ridgewater CTC to get qualified for D1 down the road.

If we get Mejia or even Renteria to sign this fall, he will be a good challenger down the road for Lizak (if he's still around). Warner would be perfect too, Sr. year this year, then redshirt (although I'm guessing Steveson would be up at 197 that year), Anderson would probably be able to start as a Red Fr. while he redshirts.

--As long as everyone comes back this year with all the crap that happened and I assume Marko and Anderson redshirt and McKee starts at 133 this year. If the rumors are true about Jeske and Webster not able to qualify yet (hopefully a year or two at a JUCO or maybe them going going D2 or D3 will be a better fit). I sure hope Early at 165, Stroker at 149 and Steveson at 184 can really improve the lineup...

It would be great to get guys like Jones, Aldrich, and Allar in addition to Berge/Warner and Mejia would be great. Jones might be able to replace McKee when he needs to bump up after Thorn leaves, Allar may be able to grow into a 165/74 lber down the road (assuming Berge doesn't get that big either). I don't know where Aldrich would fit in? 141 could be blocked by Thorn/McKee for years...

Mckee should redshirt. They better get Berge, Gable, RBY, and Warner if they want to beat Happy Valley.
Add in Allar, Jones, Lloyd, and P Mckee and we are back in the mix (assuming Webster eventually gets accepted)!
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MN has to go after Jones, he's the real deal. He's already great and will only get better.
Him and Aldrich are probably the most underrated 3x champs in a LONG time.

I hope we get Berge cause he'd be a perfect fit and is an absolute stud and would probably fit in perfectly at 157 after Short graduates and of course the Gable/RBY combo would be fantastic the following year. I think adding Mejia and Warner would be beneficial ESPECIALLY if Webster and Jeske haven't qualified and up somewhere like Rochester CTC or Ridgewater CTC to get qualified for D1 down the road.

If we get Mejia or even Renteria to sign this fall, he will be a good challenger down the road for Lizak (if he's still around). Warner would be perfect too, Sr. year this year, then redshirt (although I'm guessing Steveson would be up at 197 that year), Anderson would probably be able to start as a Red Fr. while he redshirts.

--As long as everyone comes back this year with all the crap that happened and I assume Marko and Anderson redshirt and McKee starts at 133 this year. If the rumors are true about Jeske and Webster not able to qualify yet (hopefully a year or two at a JUCO or maybe them going going D2 or D3 will be a better fit). I sure hope Early at 165, Stroker at 149 and Steveson at 184 can really improve the lineup...

It would be great to get guys like Jones, Aldrich, and Allar in addition to Berge/Warner and Mejia would be great. Jones might be able to replace McKee when he needs to bump up after Thorn leaves, Allar may be able to grow into a 165/74 lber down the road (assuming Berge doesn't get that big either). I don't know where Aldrich would fit in? 141 could be blocked by Thorn/McKee for years...

Mckee should redshirt. They better get Berge, Gable, RBY, and Warner if they want to beat Happy Valley.
Probably has to wrestle, we have no one at 133---Brancale has regressed to non-D1 level talent/effort.

Maybe if Steve P. has bulked up it would be ok...
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MN has to go after Jones, he's the real deal. He's already great and will only get better.
Him and Aldrich are probably the most underrated 3x champs in a LONG time.

I hope we get Berge cause he'd be a perfect fit and is an absolute stud and would probably fit in perfectly at 157 after Short graduates and of course the Gable/RBY combo would be fantastic the following year. I think adding Mejia and Warner would be beneficial ESPECIALLY if Webster and Jeske haven't qualified and up somewhere like Rochester CTC or Ridgewater CTC to get qualified for D1 down the road.

If we get Mejia or even Renteria to sign this fall, he will be a good challenger down the road for Lizak (if he's still around). Warner would be perfect too, Sr. year this year, then redshirt (although I'm guessing Steveson would be up at 197 that year), Anderson would probably be able to start as a Red Fr. while he redshirts.

--As long as everyone comes back this year with all the crap that happened and I assume Marko and Anderson redshirt and McKee starts at 133 this year. If the rumors are true about Jeske and Webster not able to qualify yet (hopefully a year or two at a JUCO or maybe them going going D2 or D3 will be a better fit). I sure hope Early at 165, Stroker at 149 and Steveson at 184 can really improve the lineup...

It would be great to get guys like Jones, Aldrich, and Allar in addition to Berge/Warner and Mejia would be great. Jones might be able to replace McKee when he needs to bump up after Thorn leaves, Allar may be able to grow into a 165/74 lber down the road (assuming Berge doesn't get that big either). I don't know where Aldrich would fit in? 141 could be blocked by Thorn/McKee for years...

Mckee should redshirt. They better get Berge, Gable, RBY, and Warner if they want to beat Happy Valley.
Add in Allar, Jones, Lloyd, and P Mckee and we are back in the mix (assuming Webster eventually gets accepted)!
I think we tend to over value the Minnesota kids. Penn States getting hammers, the best recruits every year.
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I think McKee, Berge, Gable are legit "National-level" recruits teams like PSU would want...

Jones, Lloyd, Webster are all very good wrestlers--excellent actually in MN. Jones will be a 4xchamp, Lloyd probably a 3timer and Webster probably would have been a 2x champ if not injured....all COULD be excellent D1 guys, but they will need to take huge steps forward from where they are now to get to that level.
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I think McKee, Berge, Gable are legit "National-level" recruits teams like PSU would want...

Pretty sure PSU is fine with their recruit, that just teched our blue chipper!!
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I think McKee, Berge, Gable are legit "National-level" recruits teams like PSU would want...

Jones, Lloyd, Webster are all very good wrestlers--excellent actually in MN. Jones will be a 4xchamp, Lloyd probably a 3timer and Webster probably would have been a 2x champ if not injured....all COULD be excellent D1 guys, but they will need to take huge steps forward from where they are now to get to that level.
I am a big Berge fan and sure hope he chooses MN but has he had the national success that Jones, Lloyd or Webster has had in the last four years? Those three guys have been everywhere taking on as much competition as possible year-round. If I am not mistaken Webster has two titles at Fargo and a UWW World Bronze. Alex Lloyd has been an All-American six times in his three years at Fargo. I'm not sure how many times Jones has been AA in Fargo but I can only remember once for sure when he was not. This is in no way a post to discredit Brady. Rather, it is intended to give all three Shakopee guys the credit they deserve. There have been a lot of guys that have had a lot less success in Fargo than the three of them and have gone on to become college All-Americans. I think we need them all to be Gophers.
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Mckee should redshirt. They better get Berge, Gable, RBY, and Warner if they want to beat Happy Valley.
Add in Allar, Jones, Lloyd, and P Mckee and we are back in the mix (assuming Webster eventually gets accepted)!
I think we tend to over value the Minnesota kids. Penn States getting hammers, the best recruits every year.
Griffin Parriott just killed the field at Fargo, 6 techs in 7 matches, including 10-0 tech in finals. Total score of 69-2. I'm pretty sure this one is going to come back and bite our coaches in the ass.
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I think McKee, Berge, Gable are legit "National-level" recruits teams like PSU would want...

Pretty sure PSU is fine with their recruit, that just teched our blue chipper!!
That blue chipper that teched that Penn state recruit just weeks ago? I think MN is fine with their guy.
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Add in Allar, Jones, Lloyd, and P Mckee and we are back in the mix (assuming Webster eventually gets accepted)!
I think we tend to over value the Minnesota kids. Penn States getting hammers, the best recruits every year.
Griffin Parriott just killed the field at Fargo, 6 techs in 7 matches, including 10-0 tech in finals. Total score of 69-2. I'm pretty sure this one is going to come back and bite our coaches in the ass.
Parriott is certainly jumping levels. The staff recruited him, he chose elsewhere. There is always time for him to transfer to the Gophers.
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I think McKee, Berge, Gable are legit "National-level" recruits teams like PSU would want...

Jones, Lloyd, Webster are all very good wrestlers--excellent actually in MN. Jones will be a 4xchamp, Lloyd probably a 3timer and Webster probably would have been a 2x champ if not injured....all COULD be excellent D1 guys, but they will need to take huge steps forward from where they are now to get to that level.
I am a big Berge fan and sure hope he chooses MN but has he had the national success that Jones, Lloyd or Webster has had in the last four years? Those three guys have been everywhere taking on as much competition as possible year-round. If I am not mistaken Webster has two titles at Fargo and a UWW World Bronze. Alex Lloyd has been an All-American six times in his three years at Fargo. I'm not sure how many times Jones has been AA in Fargo but I can only remember once for sure when he was not. This is in no way a post to discredit Brady. Rather, it is intended to give all three Shakopee guys the credit they deserve. There have been a lot of guys that have had a lot less success in Fargo than the three of them and have gone on to become college All-Americans. I think we need them all to be Gophers.
They can wrestle all the tournaments they want but none of them are on Berge's level. Berge was injured or he would have been at Fargo I assume. He also won his weight for the world team last year. Oh yeah, he beat Parriott this season too.
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I think we tend to over value the Minnesota kids. Penn States getting hammers, the best recruits every year.
Griffin Parriott just killed the field at Fargo, 6 techs in 7 matches, including 10-0 tech in finals. Total score of 69-2. I'm pretty sure this one is going to come back and bite our coaches in the ass.
Parriott is certainly jumping levels. The staff recruited him, he chose elsewhere. There is always time for him to transfer to the Gophers.
Be interesting to see how Parriott, Hall, Moore & Benick do the next 5 years.
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I think McKee, Berge, Gable are legit "National-level" recruits teams like PSU would want...

Jones, Lloyd, Webster are all very good wrestlers--excellent actually in MN. Jones will be a 4xchamp, Lloyd probably a 3timer and Webster probably would have been a 2x champ if not injured....all COULD be excellent D1 guys, but they will need to take huge steps forward from where they are now to get to that level.
I am a big Berge fan and sure hope he chooses MN but has he had the national success that Jones, Lloyd or Webster has had in the last four years? Those three guys have been everywhere taking on as much competition as possible year-round. If I am not mistaken Webster has two titles at Fargo and a UWW World Bronze. Alex Lloyd has been an All-American six times in his three years at Fargo. I'm not sure how many times Jones has been AA in Fargo but I can only remember once for sure when he was not. This is in no way a post to discredit Brady. Rather, it is intended to give all three Shakopee guys the credit they deserve. There have been a lot of guys that have had a lot less success in Fargo than the three of them and have gone on to become college All-Americans. I think we need them all to be Gophers.
They can wrestle all the tournaments they want but none of them are on Berge's level. Berge was injured or he would have been at Fargo I assume. He also won his weight for the world team last year. Oh yeah, he beat Parriott this season too.
Webster got Bronze at Worlds, where as Brady "just" competed. As Go47 said this was nothing against Berge, who is a phenomenal wrestler. Those Shakopee guys can scrap.
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