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Topic Started: Dec 31 2014, 07:48 PM (944,705 Views)
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I think McKee, Berge, Gable are legit "National-level" recruits teams like PSU would want...

Jones, Lloyd, Webster are all very good wrestlers--excellent actually in MN. Jones will be a 4xchamp, Lloyd probably a 3timer and Webster probably would have been a 2x champ if not injured....all COULD be excellent D1 guys, but they will need to take huge steps forward from where they are now to get to that level.
I am a big Berge fan and sure hope he chooses MN but has he had the national success that Jones, Lloyd or Webster has had in the last four years? Those three guys have been everywhere taking on as much competition as possible year-round. If I am not mistaken Webster has two titles at Fargo and a UWW World Bronze. Alex Lloyd has been an All-American six times in his three years at Fargo. I'm not sure how many times Jones has been AA in Fargo but I can only remember once for sure when he was not. This is in no way a post to discredit Brady. Rather, it is intended to give all three Shakopee guys the credit they deserve. There have been a lot of guys that have had a lot less success in Fargo than the three of them and have gone on to become college All-Americans. I think we need them all to be Gophers.
They can wrestle all the tournaments they want but none of them are on Berge's level. Berge was injured or he would have been at Fargo I assume. He also won his weight for the world team last year. Oh yeah, he beat Parriott this season too.
Webster got Bronze at Worlds, where as Brady "just" competed. As Go47 said this was nothing against Berge, who is a phenomenal wrestler. Those Shakopee guys can scrap.
For recruiting purposes, Fargo and all these big tournaments are just a gauge to see where the recuits stand amongst their peers. All these kids have 5 years to improve and get better at folk style. Yes the "blue chips" are great to get but a guy like Webster should be able to compete in folk style with any blue chip recruit over the next 5 years. Heck there are a few kids that didn't place in Fargo that will be near the top of the NCAA podium from 2018-2022.
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I think McKee, Berge, Gable are legit "National-level" recruits teams like PSU would want...

Jones, Lloyd, Webster are all very good wrestlers--excellent actually in MN. Jones will be a 4xchamp, Lloyd probably a 3timer and Webster probably would have been a 2x champ if not injured....all COULD be excellent D1 guys, but they will need to take huge steps forward from where they are now to get to that level.
I am a big Berge fan and sure hope he chooses MN but has he had the national success that Jones, Lloyd or Webster has had in the last four years? Those three guys have been everywhere taking on as much competition as possible year-round. If I am not mistaken Webster has two titles at Fargo and a UWW World Bronze. Alex Lloyd has been an All-American six times in his three years at Fargo. I'm not sure how many times Jones has been AA in Fargo but I can only remember once for sure when he was not. This is in no way a post to discredit Brady. Rather, it is intended to give all three Shakopee guys the credit they deserve. There have been a lot of guys that have had a lot less success in Fargo than the three of them and have gone on to become college All-Americans. I think we need them all to be Gophers.
They can wrestle all the tournaments they want but none of them are on Berge's level. Berge was injured or he would have been at Fargo I assume. He also won his weight for the world team last year. Oh yeah, he beat Parriott this season too.
Webster got Bronze at Worlds, where as Brady "just" competed. As Go47 said this was nothing against Berge, who is a phenomenal wrestler. Those Shakopee guys can scrap.
If your giving me a choice between Berge and Webster......Ill take Berge every time. Berge has done nothing but dominate for the last 5 years, and im sure he'll no problems getting into school.
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People are making this something it is not. No one is saying the Shakopee guys are superior to Berge or that they would rather have them. Simply pointing out that the 3 shakopee wrestlers are rather underrated for their talent level and accolades. Nothing more nothing less.
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Duster reports on Penn States forum that Cael recently did a home visit to Berge.
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For recruiting purposes, one needs to factor not only whether the wrestler's skill level matches the school, but also whether the wrestler's academic prowess (grades and ACT/SAT) are a match for that school. Not all high end wrestlers are able to get into competitive schools. That's a reality. Just like not all high achieving students (who want to wrestle post high school) are talented enough to wrestle for a competitive program.
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Jul 28 2016, 12:44 PM
Duster reports on Penn States forum that Cael recently did a home visit to Berge.
Well, if Berge announces that he wants to be known as the face of Pennsylvania wrestling then we have a chance.
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If Berge would go to PSU, he might have to sit. Retherford would be a Sr. when he's redshirting--no idea who is behind him--Nolf at 157 would be a Sr. when Berge is a redshirt freshman--so he wouldn't get 4 years competing at that weight..

165--Joseph as a RFr. this year..Manville could be at 157 or 165, he might not be as good as Berge, but he'll have a head start.

174-Nickal this year, then Hall for 4 years--Berge can't beat Hall. Probably too small for anything bigger.


Berge would have 4 years as a starter and could lead the Gophers back to prominence. PSU, he might get 1-3 years max as a starter....at most.
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I think we tend to over value the Minnesota kids. Penn States getting hammers, the best recruits every year.
Griffin Parriott just killed the field at Fargo, 6 techs in 7 matches, including 10-0 tech in finals. Total score of 69-2. I'm pretty sure this one is going to come back and bite our coaches in the ass.
Parriott is certainly jumping levels. The staff recruited him, he chose elsewhere. There is always time for him to transfer to the Gophers.
Sorry Grap, but you have no idea how hard the Gophers recruited him, or the lack thereof. I do.
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For recruiting purposes, one needs to factor not only whether the wrestler's skill level matches the school, but also whether the wrestler's academic prowess (grades and ACT/SAT) are a match for that school. Not all high end wrestlers are able to get into competitive schools. That's a reality. Just like not all high achieving students (who want to wrestle post high school) are talented enough to wrestle for a competitive program.
Really? You are over emphasizing the student in student athlete.
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Referee is right on with that. Most programs are going to be competing furiously for the 4.0, high ACT kids, especially if they are a good enough students to receive some academic scholarship $. At a minimum, the better programs want good students who will not be at risk for having academic eligibility issues.
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Griffin Parriott just killed the field at Fargo, 6 techs in 7 matches, including 10-0 tech in finals. Total score of 69-2. I'm pretty sure this one is going to come back and bite our coaches in the ass.
Parriott is certainly jumping levels. The staff recruited him, he chose elsewhere. There is always time for him to transfer to the Gophers.
Sorry Grap, but you have no idea how hard the Gophers recruited him, or the lack thereof. I do.
That's awesome, but that doesn't make anything I said false.

Parriott should have a fine career. Perhaps even be a catalyst of bringing Purdue back to life. Seems like a good kid.
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I think there is a lot of speculation going on here with recruits and the upcoming season, or even future recruits. The U is going to have to work hard at reeling back in the hometown recruits because right now it sounds like we have only heard half of the destruction that is happening at the U. This is going to be some dark days ahead for the U.
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I think there is a lot of speculation going on here with recruits and the upcoming season, or even future recruits. The U is going to have to work hard at reeling back in the hometown recruits because right now it sounds like we have only heard half of the destruction that is happening at the U. This is going to be some dark days ahead for the U.
I don't know if I'd call them "dark days" but the Gophers are definitely in a hole. I can't see how any recruit could commit to the Gophers right now (including Brady Berge) when the head coaching position is in question and the assistants have 1 year contracts.

I will feel crushed if Brady ends up going somewhere else other than the University of Minnesota, but it's hard to imagine him committing to the Gophers when the Gophers can't "commit" a coaching staff to him.

I know how the recruiting process works. The athlete sits down with the head coach and talks about a plan that covers the following 5 years. Coyle can't even talk about the next 5 months...
Edited by Iowan@heart, Jul 29 2016, 08:02 AM.
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Does this paint Coyle as being an indecisive leader? Of course, I imagine the lawyers have him on a short leash while they negotiate J's resignation package.
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The situation must make it pretty easy for out-of-state recruiters.
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The situation must make it pretty easy for out-of-state recruiters.
Exactly. This bull @#$% happens at the time when Minnesota wrestling has an extremely high level of talent, that we may not see again for a few years. Make a decision Coyle!!
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The situation must make it pretty easy for out-of-state recruiters.
Exactly. This bull @#$% happens at the time when Minnesota wrestling has an extremely high level of talent, that we may not see again for a few years. Make a decision Coyle!!
Do you really think he reads the G??? send him an email... I did...
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The situation must make it pretty easy for out-of-state recruiters.
Exactly. This bull @#$% happens at the time when Minnesota wrestling has an extremely high level of talent, that we may not see again for a few years. Make a decision Coyle!!
Do you really think he reads the G??? send him an email... I did...
Do you really believe he personally read your email?
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Do you really think his admin assistant doesn't?
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The situation must make it pretty easy for out-of-state recruiters.
Exactly. This bull @#$% happens at the time when Minnesota wrestling has an extremely high level of talent, that we may not see again for a few years. Make a decision Coyle!!
Do you really think he reads the G??? send him an email... I did...
Do you really believe he personally read your email?
He's more apt to read his emails than read your Robo Cop BS...
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Jacob Warner interview
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The situation must make it pretty easy for out-of-state recruiters.
Exactly. This bull @#$% happens at the time when Minnesota wrestling has an extremely high level of talent, that we may not see again for a few years. Make a decision Coyle!!
Do you really think he reads the G??? send him an email... I did...
Do you really believe he personally read your email?
I don't know about Coyle, but I know the Maturi did. After the football team lost to South Dakota under Brewster, I emailed him and complained. He responded back. So there is a chance Coyle is reading emails about this.
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Do you really think he reads the G??? send him an email... I did...
Do you really believe he personally read your email?
I don't know about Coyle, but I know the Maturi did. After the football team lost to South Dakota under Brewster, I emailed him and complained. He responded back. So there is a chance Coyle is reading emails about this.
I feel sorry that you care that much about Gopher football, and continued to watch the crap show that Brewster ran.
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Pipe dream. He'll end up in Iowa.
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Pipe dream. He'll end up in Iowa.
Until he commits elsewhere or announces he is no longer considering MN, I will continue to share any of his interviews I stumble across.
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Do you really think he reads the G??? send him an email... I did...
Do you really believe he personally read your email?
I don't know about Coyle, but I know the Maturi did. After the football team lost to South Dakota under Brewster, I emailed him and complained. He responded back. So there is a chance Coyle is reading emails about this.
GTFO. Nothing better to do with your time?
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Patrick Mckee commits per his Twitter account. Sounds like a great kid as well as a great wrestler! Welcome Patrick!
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Glad to have Patrick aboard! McKee family are great people.
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