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| Iowan@heart | Sep 5 2016, 07:02 AM Post #1531 |
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Parents, coaches, and wrestlers had a pot-luck dinner last night. Everyone except Dylan Urbach is back, in housing and enrolled in classes. |
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| buf87 | Sep 5 2016, 08:14 AM Post #1532 |
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I don't believe Iowa State ever talked to Thorn or Stroker about transferring. |
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| twall03 | Sep 5 2016, 08:30 AM Post #1533 |
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Hot Rumor, MN-opa is a 12 year old girl who likes to go onto websites and spread rumors! |
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| WrestleMe | Sep 5 2016, 08:36 AM Post #1534 |
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You say that like its wrong. B) |
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| MachoManRandyTravis | Sep 5 2016, 08:47 AM Post #1535 |
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J dragged this whole thing out? That's funny. |
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| Work4ATurn | Sep 5 2016, 09:51 AM Post #1536 |
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:( Allar, ranked 27th in the 2017 class by InterMat, projects as a college 165-pounder. The Minnesota native, who won a Junior freestyle title this summer in Fargo, took unofficial visits to Missouri, Nebraska, Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern and Michigan before settling on the Cyclones. “For me, it was the coaching staff and their abilities,” Allar said. “They said it’s not just the next five years that they’re planning for because they’re looking to help me achieve my goals of becoming a World and Olympic champion. They have this system set in place here and it’s really neat for me to buy into that. The coaches are amazing down here and I don’t think you can get much better than them.” Allar said he figured he would stay close to home and join high school teammates Mitch McKee and Tommy Thorn at Minnesota. But the uncertainty surrounding the program led Allar to explore other options. “I really thought I was going to be a Gopher, to be honest,” he said. “But the situation they have going on, there’s just a lot of question marks for me, which made it hard to make a huge decision like that with a school where there’s question marks. I love the people at Minnesota; they’re great guys. It was hard, especially knowing I wouldn’t be teammates with lifelong friends like the McKees. That was difficult, but sometimes you have to do what’s best for you and not the people around you.” :( From story by Andy Hamilton, Trackwrestling Edited by Work4ATurn, Sep 5 2016, 09:53 AM.
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| DWB79 | Sep 5 2016, 02:35 PM Post #1537 |
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Yes, he AND the U are dragging it out. First off, JRob should have retired a few years ago. He and his program have been in decline a few years. It showed in dramatic form when he had that talented graduating class of 2015 that under-performed (collectively, but some of them individually). I know the group that feels it is some kind of sin to criticize JRob, Eggum and Co. will hound me but it's the freakin' truth people. The recruiting ring has gotten smaller and smaller to a very regional bent. Yes they do a pretty decent job of getting 1 of every 10 or so guys in there that way over performs (B Pfarr) but numerous other "can't miss prospects" have failed to live up to their status (Short, Wanzek, Kingsley, and probably due to a stylistic issue--as in getting too conservative: Storley). Too many times our high AA candidates like N Dardanes completely piss the bed at NCAA's (in his case more than once did he not live up anywhere near his ranking/seeding). I wasn't surprised Hall left, or Allar chose ISU. JRob needs to take the offer they have and leave. He should have retired years ago. Eggum needs to be replaced with someone that can draw in national recruits (Hahn, Perry, Dake, Taylor), etc. Overall the coaching staff needs an infusion of non-Gopher blood. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for what JRob did in the late 80's, 90's and 00's up till like 07 or so...but after Morgan left, it seems like there has been something missing...the "mojo"...mystique, who knows what it was, but JRob's ego, pride, etc. has gotten the best of him in this situation. Retire JRob, do one last thing right for this program. Take the buyout....drop the cloud from the program. We appreciate what you did..... |
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| WrestleMe | Sep 5 2016, 04:48 PM Post #1538 |
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I'm sure J will do as he's told now that Dusty's chimed in ...... |
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| dragonfire | Sep 5 2016, 06:41 PM Post #1539 |
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I wasn't surprised Hall left, or Allar chose ISU. JRob needs to take the offer they have and leave. He should have retired years ago. Eggum needs to be replaced with someone that can draw in national recruits (Hahn, Perry, Dake, Taylor), etc. Overall the coaching staff needs an infusion of non-Gopher blood. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for what JRob did in the late 80's, 90's and 00's up till like 07 or so...but after Morgan left, it seems like there has been something missing...the "mojo"...mystique, who knows what it was, but JRob's ego, pride, etc. has gotten the best of him in this situation. Why do you think Hahn will draw national recruits better than Eggum? |
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| DWB79 | Sep 5 2016, 08:49 PM Post #1540 |
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I think Hahn was a more exciting wrestler, and he's been a top assistant for a program that isn't as stodgy in their style as MN. Plus, I would hope if Hahn got the job, Dake could be convinced to come with. Top assistant/recruiter....would like to see what they could do without Koll in charge. Wrestleme's comment was as predictable as the sun rising in the morning...douchy as usual. If someone has a better idea, that improves this team in the near and long term, feel free to let it fly on here. Just saying "bring JRob" back, explain then how we are gonna win a title in the next 5-10 years with a figurehead coach who can't wrestle with the guys anymore, who pretty much only hires ex-Gophers as coaches, rarely goes outside the immediate region for recruiting now and rarely gets the "big recruit" unless they are in that immediate region, and either promotes a style that will not beat PSU anytime soon or can't get or develop the talent like Cael, Smith and Brands can anymore. Not to mention hasn't put a guy on the World/Olympic team since who? Was D. Schlatter in the top 3 at his weight on the Sr. circuit for a bit? Sanders? Am I forgetting someone? Please, PROVE me wrong. Explain in great detail instead of calling me names or calling me a "non fan", hitting "dislike" on this comment, or some other moronic comeback that I shouldn't follow the team anymore, etc., because I would love to hear a comprehensive plan to bring this program back. If we keep losing out on the MN talent like we did this year (Hall and Parriott) and our in-state recruits don't develop like we hope they do (looking at Jr's. Jake and Nick and Seniors Sam and Brandon, all of which haven't hit AA status yet have 13 combined state titles and numerous Jr. level AA status on their resume's)... Edited by DWB79, Sep 5 2016, 09:02 PM.
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| ethanhunt | Sep 5 2016, 08:59 PM Post #1541 |
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I want to start off by thanking Roastmaster Dusty for yet again offering his hot take on the situation. Although he seems like a broken record, he makes up for it by repeating himself tirelessly. Maybe the biggest tragedy of this whole situation is why the university of Minnesota hasn't seated him on its board of regents. |
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| DWB79 | Sep 5 2016, 09:02 PM Post #1542 |
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Another predictable moronic statement by the great mind of ethanhunt... |
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| MachoManRandyTravis | Sep 5 2016, 09:31 PM Post #1543 |
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Another predictable statement by the Uncle Rico of the Minnesota wrestling world. |
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| ethanhunt | Sep 5 2016, 09:31 PM Post #1544 |
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Ok dusty I'll bite. And I will save the derogatory names as anyone who knows you already has them for you. I like how you think you have the answers to the U of m situation. And you follow it up by shooting off baseless hopes of bringing Damian back from the east coast as if he desperately wants the opportunity. And the idea that Kyle dake would leave his training and home territory to be an assistant in Minnesota. Great imagination, however, totally hypothetical and without any merit whatsoever. But Dusty says it, so we should pursue it. Good thinking. I can't make this post without agreeing with you on something. I agree that more diversity within the coaching staff might be a good thing. But wait, we have done this. We had mark Schwab and Kevin Roberts. Why is this never mentioned? Because, perhaps, it doesn't benefit your argument? I would guess that is part of it. When the situation with J clears up I'm guessing the U will open the position nationally and we will search for a full time replacement. If eggum wants the job, then he will have his chance this year to make his case. If the U chooses to take the program in a new direction I am guessing Ness, Becker, and staff will look to go elsewhere and Guys like Dusty will get their way. In closing, I am still in J's camp and I recognize we could set ourselves up for supreme failure if we bring in the wrong staff to replace the current staff. I recognize that success is cyclical and we have the team this year to get ourselves back to where we expect to be. |
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| DWB79 | Sep 5 2016, 10:05 PM Post #1545 |
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Derogatory names? You started it off with the "Roastmaster Dusty" comment. I just laugh at your comments/name calling as well as guys like MMRT---soooo predictable, but yet if you see me at a dual, meet or the state tournament, you have absolutely NO balls to say it to my face in person, I think that is the very definition of trolls. As for Hahn/Dake...it is wishful thinking---I think Hahn would bring more excitement to the program than JRob does and I think he'd be more open about hiring non-gophers to the coaching staff---hence why I'd love for him to hire Dake ---even though Dake could possibly be elevated to top assistant at Cornell instead--that is just more wishful thinking. Hahn at least has ties here and wasn't he a finalist for the Oklahoma job and got beat out by Roselli? How is it "baseless hope" for bringing him back since he is an alum? You don't think he'd move on from the East Coast for a HC position paying north of $200K a year (and that doesn't include any cost-of-living savings there might be from East Coast to the Midwest)? Isn't your comment that he isn't "desperate for the opportunity" rooted more in the mere blind allegiance to the JRob crew? "Without merit and hypothetical"....so IF you are right and they do a National Search, would you put your money where your mouth is and if Hahn is a finalist or the winner of any such search that you'll come on here, apologize, maybe put a signature at the bottom of your posts that I come up with and then admit who you are in public? Or are you too afraid to stand behind your very strong terms I quoted above? As for Schwab and Kevin Roberts---I don't remember what years Roberts was on staff, but I like the Schwab reference and I remember hearing he was a good lower weight coach/recruiter--maybe someone that had more first hand experience with him can confirm that? Problem is, didn't he leave around the time of our first title in '01 or maybe earlier? That would be 16 years ago if he left before the 00/01 season. I know they have had the OCCASIONAL hire or paid grad assistant, administrative assistant etc. that was here for a year or two. I think they need a healthy dose of non-gopher and someone that is good with this generation who will promote a more wide open style and can also recruit nationally like JRob did in the 90's and early to mid '00's. As for Ness, Becker, etc. I'm not against them staying on. I just don't think Eggum and JRob are long for the spots they are in. I doubt Morgan would come back, but would love to see it. Hahn would be my #1 ex-Gopher/National type of hire. After that, I don't have all the answers as I don't know who is leaving the Sr. circuit and is good at recruiting and who wants to be a #1 or #2 on a coaching staff at this point (guys like Taylor, Dake, Metcalf, Steiber, Burroughs are still competing, but maybe they'd be a #2 or #3 on a staff and continue the training cycles) Hahn, Casey Cunningham at PSU, someone from OSU's staff--Guerrero?, Perry, Pritzlaff, Varner, who knows who is ready. Regardless, they have to be able to attract studs that want to be NCAA gods but also the talent that will want to move up on the Sr. level and help bring in recruits like Burroughs is doing for Nebraska and Ohio St./PSU/IA all do... It's not about "getting my way", I don't make the decision at the U and thankfully so, my point is, I think we need to think bigger then "OK, JRob's done, next up--Eggum". You want to stay in JRob's camp, go for it. I think when this is all done within a month or so, the only "camp" JRob will have is his intensive camp---and more than likely it won't be on the U of MN campus. Edited by DWB79, Sep 6 2016, 04:46 AM.
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| The Remer Rhino | Sep 5 2016, 10:55 PM Post #1546 |
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I totally agree! i don't understand J standing by and watching a good program fall apart that he built :o . |
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| Barou | Sep 6 2016, 07:39 AM Post #1547 |
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Dusty, I think you are spot on. I would like to add Ben Askren to the list of potential coaching candidates. He has name recognition, ties to potential good assistants, a style that is popular with this generation, still involved with coaching with his AWA academy even while MMA training, etc... Eggum seems like a stand up guy but aren't we getting a feel for what top MN recruits feel about him and the program? Is it wrong to think if he can't get the top MN kids to stay home he probably won't get the best kids out Illinois, Pennsylvania, etc... |
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| headshuck | Sep 6 2016, 07:57 AM Post #1548 |
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In any organization, you either innovate or die. Changes could be large or small, but do *something* different to stay relevant. When's the last time we hyped up a Border Brawl with Iowa? How about a Maroon&Gold-Out dual vs Penn State. BTW, someone on TheMat mentioned Mark Cody was in discussions with MN? False info? |
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| grappler6 | Sep 6 2016, 08:21 AM Post #1549 |
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Dusty you ask for others to develop a comprehensive plan in support of someone, yet ur comprehensive plan is Hire Hahn cuz you think he teaches a better style and will do better and might bring Dake. Very thorough. Nothing any of us says is going to prove anything cuz they are just like our opinions man. Recruits leaving MN under the program's current situation says more about the current situation than it does about Eggum's ability to recruit. Judging him in that regard, under this current cloud, isn't necessarily fair. Or maybe it is, as he still has a number of top recruits interested despite the uncertainty. Either way he certainly has the cards stacked against him. |
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| DMC | Sep 6 2016, 08:34 AM Post #1550 |
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I think we will be fine as long as Gable commits; in my opinion, he's ours to lose. We land Gable, we will be landing a few more studs and will be able to build off of that. Just a wait and see process now. |
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| WHOMP NATION | Sep 6 2016, 08:48 AM Post #1551 |
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I really don't understand why you keep bringing up that someone has Minnesota in their top 3 or 5, and then not coming to Minnesota being a good thing? Look at our recruiting class! McKee committed over two years ago and then we basically got nothing after that. Thank god though guys like Mark Hall put us in his "Top 5", that really makes us look better. Horse shoes and hand grenades man, I don't care how "close" we get to signing a recruit, if that recruit is not on our roster his freshman year it does nothing for the program. |
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| CalWarriorFan | Sep 6 2016, 10:05 AM Post #1552 |
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Is the jump from Div II to Div I too much to consider Constanzo? Look at what he has done at SCSU? He has been successful at every level? And his recruiting has not just been in Minnesota, he has brought wrestlers in from all over. Just some thoughts? |
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| grappler6 | Sep 6 2016, 10:20 AM Post #1553 |
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Would you prefer that top recruits don't even answer the phone when MN calls? BTW, I am talking about top recruits that are still currently considering MN. |
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| Barou | Sep 6 2016, 10:33 AM Post #1554 |
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Agreed, the Badgers are good for that trying to spin some positive being on a recruit's radar while they choose elsewhere. Hope as Gopher fans we don't make a habit of being happy for being in consideration. |
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| DWB79 | Sep 6 2016, 11:02 AM Post #1555 |
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Grappler6---I suggested Hahn, cause he has ties to MN and has ties to one of the best wrestlers of the last 20-30 years of college wrestling (Dake, not saying he can get him as a top assistant), plus he has ties to what will probably be a 3x NCAA champ (don't know what Dean's plans are for careers, but if he wanted to coach, I wouldn't turn him down if he wanted to do it for 2-3 years while getting a Master's for cheap as an employee of a great Univ.) There are plenty of better options than Eggum, trust me on that. Point is, thinking Eggum is gonna be the next great HC when he's been the top man for what? 8-9 years after Morgan left and how has that worked out for us? Remember him and Becker are probably the #1 and #2 technique guys that push JRob's "style". I have not seen the innovation in this program someone else mentioned in their post in the styles that are pushed--it is constantly grinding and grinding---open it up guys. The Ness brothers had style, but how many others can you say had 5 years of style and success? Storley and Schlatter had it when they came in, but became more conservative over time---two of the best recruits we've ever had and they had more success closer to their HS years then their senior circuit years and although Storley was a 4x AA, his finishes didn't "rise" as he got older and I think he lost his last 3 matches to Evans from IA when Evans had absolutely no offense. Did Ruth and Taylor get more or less conservative as time went on? Nelson? With his build being so much better than many others at his weight, I would've thought he would have dominated even more---more pins, TF's, etc. Don't get me wrong, he was awesome...but compare him to other heavyweights and say he couldn't have gotten better. and more dominant. If your gonna say he couldn't have gotten better and started pinning and Teching people then you didn't watch Gwiz in 14/15 or Snyder last year--and you will completely throw out his next two years of dominating heavyweights (those two titles are probably locks and we'll see plenty of pins and TF's from him--just like Gwiz did but more). And the other posters are right about the recruiting....just look at it people. I can't wait till McKee gets in the lineup, he's damn good, he's fun to watch. Marko? We need another 3 or 4x champ from WI to be a backup for the majority of his career? Does anyone seriously believe he will take the spot from a Sr. Short in 17/18 or a Soph. Stroker? If Marko grows to 157--again, probably Sr. Short at 157 or Stroker that year...maybe I'm wrong and he's the next Hartung, who knows. Bring this post up when that happens and I'll happily eat crow, but I don't think that will happen. As for 141--Thorn should have it for the next 3 years and McKee for the following 2. I don't know how much money they threw at him, but was it a good use of limited resources? Could that money have been given to Parriott who looks like he could be a beast at 157 down the road. How about doing some background on guys you are recruiting to see if they can even get INTO the school you are recruiting for (if that is the reason Webster and Jeske didn't make it in)---even if that move helps my alma mater---its another point that Eggum and JRob were asleep at the wheel in the recruiting the last few years. grappler, everyone knows you won't speak bad about the current regime, they let your beloved sing the national anthem 2, 3, 4x a year at duals. Maybe you feel you can't be critical, maybe your head is so far up JRob or Eggum's arse that you can't smell the problem, but there is a MAJOR problem with this program that the majority of this board loves dearly. I don't like seeing us place outside the top 5, let alone outside the top 10. I'm getting really sick of PSU, IA and others kicking our ass on the recruiting trail cause we were the recruit's "in their top 3 or top 5" and then kicking our ass on the mat because we have guys that should never be a starter on a top D1 program cause they are "room guys" that probably are better suited for D2 or D3 programs. I'm sick of our guys coming in and not improving all the way through their 4 years. (Yes, some of them do like a Pfarr, but not the majority of them). 1% a day improvement might be Auggie's motto, but it would be good for the U of MN to heed it. Too few of the top recruits can say that happened to them...taking a few guys like DZ and CY and getting them to place low AA as a 5th year Senior is nice and all, but developing Storley into a 2-3x finalist and a champ for a year or two is gonna place you higher as a team. Taking the Dardanes brothers and turning them into the next Steiners or Brands instead of one pissing it down his leg twice at the NCAA's would be helpful in overtaking PSU. Developing certain weaknesses on guys like the Dardanes (bottom position) would be helpful. These are coaching issues. I'll continue to support them and will be critical of them and use a line I love in a completely different context but one that might fit here: "The best defense against the bulls--t is vigilance. So if you smell something, say something." Right now, there is a lot of BS surrounding this program, JRob needs to take the money and retire. Eggum needs to go too, new HC and an infusion of non-gophers into the coaching staff and the recruiting and coaching needs to improve cause the status quo is not working. In the the coming year, I'll take a sig bet with anyone if Eggum leads them to a trophy finish (top 4), will anyone else put their "money" where their mouth is? Can't wait to debate in person grappler6..... Now let the trolls start making the BS comments and name calling on here commence..... |
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| grappler6 | Sep 6 2016, 11:28 AM Post #1556 |
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We all want to see MN back at the top. A lot of us disagree or have different ideas on how that can occur. No one is more correct than the other as we truly have no idea and are just sharing what we believe. It is also possible that MN could return to the top under several different proposed scenarios. I want resolution and a permanent solution in place. I am a fairly positive person in all aspects of life. Being bitter and negative is not the person I want to be, nor would it change anything. Do you really believe the coaching staff is thinking at the beginning of the week "oh crap we don't have a National Anthem singer for Saturday's dual! We better call up grappler6 and see if his wife is available. He sure is nice about us online!" ? There is an entire department and process that handles arranging those things, not the coaching staffs. Lastly, Dusty I have no desire to ever meet you in person or discuss anything. |
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| Work4ATurn | Sep 6 2016, 11:36 AM Post #1557 |
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"grappler, everyone knows you won't speak bad about the current regime, they let your beloved sing the national anthem 2, 3, 4x a year at duals. Maybe you feel you can't be critical, maybe your head is so far up JRob or Eggum's arse that you can't smell the problem," Was it you that accused others of posting D-Bag comments?... |
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| Gonzaga1603 | Sep 6 2016, 11:41 AM Post #1558 |
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I have said this in the past and the response I got was there are very few people who believe that a coach with little or no D1 coaching or wrestling experience (I don't believe he has either) would be qualified for a major Big Ten head coaching job. I would love to see him given the opportunity personally. |
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| Barou | Sep 6 2016, 12:06 PM Post #1559 |
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Ouch on the Wisconsin rip. The numbers are pretty clear that MN has a better track record with your home grown kids but we have our fair share of blue chippers. Konrad and Hartung are among some of the Gopher bests. I'd say Lowney had a pretty good career and even brought an olympic medal to the program. Askren and Dieringer have 3 hodges between them and wrestled a dominating style. How many Hodges can MN claim? 1 with Ness, anymore? Not sure how Marko will pan out but he has had Fargo success so we'll see. I do agree if MN wants to be a top 5 program it won't happen under Eggum. He simply doesn't have the drawing power like Sanderson, Brands, etc... |
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| grappler6 | Sep 6 2016, 12:06 PM Post #1560 |
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I am sure plenty of programs would be interested in Costanzo, just maybe not the upper tier teams at this point. Certainly has great things going at SCSU |
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