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Is the jump from Div II to Div I too much to consider Constanzo? Look at what he has done at SCSU? He has been successful at every level? And his recruiting has not just been in Minnesota, he has brought wrestlers in from all over. Just some thoughts?
I have said this in the past and the response I got was there are very few people who believe that a coach with little or no D1 coaching or wrestling experience (I don't believe he has either) would be qualified for a major Big Ten head coaching job.

I would love to see him given the opportunity personally.
Me too.
Elsewhere.
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Dusty you ask for others to develop a comprehensive plan in support of someone, yet ur comprehensive plan is Hire Hahn cuz you think he teaches a better style and will do better and might bring Dake. Very thorough. Nothing any of us says is going to prove anything cuz they are just like our opinions man.

Recruits leaving MN under the program's current situation says more about the current situation than it does about Eggum's ability to recruit. Judging him in that regard, under this current cloud, isn't necessarily fair. Or maybe it is, as he still has a number of top recruits interested despite the uncertainty. Either way he certainly has the cards stacked against him.
Grappler6---I suggested Hahn, cause he has ties to MN and has ties to one of the best wrestlers of the last 20-30 years of college wrestling (Dake, not saying he can get him as a top assistant), plus he has ties to what will probably be a 3x NCAA champ (don't know what Dean's plans are for careers, but if he wanted to coach, I wouldn't turn him down if he wanted to do it for 2-3 years while getting a Master's for cheap as an employee of a great Univ.) There are plenty of better options than Eggum, trust me on that.

Point is, thinking Eggum is gonna be the next great HC when he's been the top man for what? 8-9 years after Morgan left and how has that worked out for us? Remember him and Becker are probably the #1 and #2 technique guys that push JRob's "style". I have not seen the innovation in this program someone else mentioned in their post in the styles that are pushed--it is constantly grinding and grinding---open it up guys. The Ness brothers had style, but how many others can you say had 5 years of style and success? Storley and Schlatter had it when they came in, but became more conservative over time---two of the best recruits we've ever had and they had more success closer to their HS years then their senior circuit years and although Storley was a 4x AA, his finishes didn't "rise" as he got older and I think he lost his last 3 matches to Evans from IA when Evans had absolutely no offense. Did Ruth and Taylor get more or less conservative as time went on? Nelson? With his build being so much better than many others at his weight, I would've thought he would have dominated even more---more pins, TF's, etc. Don't get me wrong, he was awesome...but compare him to other heavyweights and say he couldn't have gotten better. and more dominant. If your gonna say he couldn't have gotten better and started pinning and Teching people then you didn't watch Gwiz in 14/15 or Snyder last year--and you will completely throw out his next two years of dominating heavyweights (those two titles are probably locks and we'll see plenty of pins and TF's from him--just like Gwiz did but more).

And the other posters are right about the recruiting....just look at it people. I can't wait till McKee gets in the lineup, he's damn good, he's fun to watch. Marko? We need another 3 or 4x champ from WI to be a backup for the majority of his career? Does anyone seriously believe he will take the spot from a Sr. Short in 17/18 or a Soph. Stroker? If Marko grows to 157--again, probably Sr. Short at 157 or Stroker that year...maybe I'm wrong and he's the next Hartung, who knows. Bring this post up when that happens and I'll happily eat crow, but I don't think that will happen.

As for 141--Thorn should have it for the next 3 years and McKee for the following 2. I don't know how much money they threw at him, but was it a good use of limited resources? Could that money have been given to Parriott who looks like he could be a beast at 157 down the road. How about doing some background on guys you are recruiting to see if they can even get INTO the school you are recruiting for (if that is the reason Webster and Jeske didn't make it in)---even if that move helps my alma mater---its another point that Eggum and JRob were asleep at the wheel in the recruiting the last few years.

grappler, everyone knows you won't speak bad about the current regime, they let your beloved sing the national anthem 2, 3, 4x a year at duals. Maybe you feel you can't be critical, maybe your head is so far up JRob or Eggum's arse that you can't smell the problem, but there is a MAJOR problem with this program that the majority of this board loves dearly. I don't like seeing us place outside the top 5, let alone outside the top 10. I'm getting really sick of PSU, IA and others kicking our ass on the recruiting trail cause we were the recruit's "in their top 3 or top 5" and then kicking our ass on the mat because we have guys that should never be a starter on a top D1 program cause they are "room guys" that probably are better suited for D2 or D3 programs. I'm sick of our guys coming in and not improving all the way through their 4 years. (Yes, some of them do like a Pfarr, but not the majority of them). 1% a day improvement might be Auggie's motto, but it would be good for the U of MN to heed it. Too few of the top recruits can say that happened to them...taking a few guys like DZ and CY and getting them to place low AA as a 5th year Senior is nice and all, but developing Storley into a 2-3x finalist and a champ for a year or two is gonna place you higher as a team. Taking the Dardanes brothers and turning them into the next Steiners or Brands instead of one pissing it down his leg twice at the NCAA's would be helpful in overtaking PSU. Developing certain weaknesses on guys like the Dardanes (bottom position) would be helpful. These are coaching issues.

I'll continue to support them and will be critical of them and use a line I love in a completely different context but one that might fit here:

"The best defense against the bulls--t is vigilance. So if you smell something, say something."

Right now, there is a lot of BS surrounding this program, JRob needs to take the money and retire. Eggum needs to go too, new HC and an infusion of non-gophers into the coaching staff and the recruiting and coaching needs to improve cause the status quo is not working.

In the the coming year, I'll take a sig bet with anyone if Eggum leads them to a trophy finish (top 4), will anyone else put their "money" where their mouth is? Can't wait to debate in person grappler6.....

Now let the trolls start making the BS comments and name calling on here commence.....


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I really don't understand why you keep bringing up that someone has Minnesota in their top 3 or 5, and then not coming to Minnesota being a good thing? Look at our recruiting class! McKee committed over two years ago and then we basically got nothing after that.

Thank god though guys like Mark Hall put us in his "Top 5", that really makes us look better. Horse shoes and hand grenades man, I don't care how "close" we get to signing a recruit, if that recruit is not on our roster his freshman year it does nothing for the program.
Would you prefer that top recruits don't even answer the phone when MN calls?

BTW, I am talking about top recruits that are still currently considering MN.
You're not following. I think it's great to hear when top recruits have us in consideration. I love hearing that a guy like Warner or Berge are actively keeping us in the hunt. So stop with the comments "would you prefer recruits don't even answer the phone when MN calls". That's just a weak rebuttal to conversation.

I am stating that when you talk about Minnesota recruits and how well they do vs other top schools, you are using these "Almost recruits" in your argument like that holds any merit. They don't..... at all.

Maybe FloWrestling will start ranking recruiting classes on how many recruits list them in their "Top 5", rather than recruits that we actually got.
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I really don't understand why you keep bringing up that someone has Minnesota in their top 3 or 5, and then not coming to Minnesota being a good thing? Look at our recruiting class! McKee committed over two years ago and then we basically got nothing after that.

Thank god though guys like Mark Hall put us in his "Top 5", that really makes us look better. Horse shoes and hand grenades man, I don't care how "close" we get to signing a recruit, if that recruit is not on our roster his freshman year it does nothing for the program.
Would you prefer that top recruits don't even answer the phone when MN calls?

BTW, I am talking about top recruits that are still currently considering MN.
You're not following. I think it's great to hear when top recruits have us in consideration. I love hearing that a guy like Warner or Berge are actively keeping us in the hunt. So stop with the comments "would you prefer recruits don't even answer the phone when MN calls". That's just a weak rebuttal to conversation.

I am stating that when you talk about Minnesota recruits and how well they do vs other top schools, you are using these "Almost recruits" in your argument like that holds any merit. They don't..... at all.

Maybe FloWrestling will start ranking recruiting classes on how many recruits list them in their "Top 5", rather than recruits that we actually got.
I am talking about kids still currently considering the University of Minnesota. I am not talking about kids that have considered them, but have chose elsewhere.
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Is the jump from Div II to Div I too much to consider Constanzo? Look at what he has done at SCSU? He has been successful at every level? And his recruiting has not just been in Minnesota, he has brought wrestlers in from all over. Just some thoughts?
I have said this in the past and the response I got was there are very few people who believe that a coach with little or no D1 coaching or wrestling experience (I don't believe he has either) would be qualified for a major Big Ten head coaching job.

I would love to see him given the opportunity personally.
I am sure plenty of programs would be interested in Costanzo, just maybe not the upper tier teams at this point. Certainly has great things going at SCSU
A Northern Iowa, SDSU, NDSU would be a great fit if a head coaching position ever opened up. Constanzo does a great job of recruiting the kids that are overlooked or not interested in the larger schools.
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I'm 100% behind Eggum this year, if in fact J takes the buyout. I had a conversation with him once back when he was competing, and even back then he had a great wrestling mind. I left the conversation thinking this guy will be a top coach someday. The only question is can he pull in the top recruits being the guy in charge. With that being said I kind of hope they do open a national search just to see who would be interested in the job. I just hope Coyle and the hiring committee don't think the grass is greener elsewhere, just for the sake of change.
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We got ourselves a good ol' fashion pissing match, here.
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I say we make Hahn cut down a bit. Hahn vs. Eggum wrestle-off for head coach.
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We all want to see MN back at the top. A lot of us disagree or have different ideas on how that can occur. No one is more correct than the other as we truly have no idea and are just sharing what we believe. It is also possible that MN could return to the top under several different proposed scenarios. I want resolution and a permanent solution in place.

I am a fairly positive person in all aspects of life. Being bitter and negative is not the person I want to be, nor would it change anything.

Do you really believe the coaching staff is thinking at the beginning of the week "oh crap we don't have a National Anthem singer for Saturday's dual! We better call up grappler6 and see if his wife is available. He sure is nice about us online!" ? There is an entire department and process that handles arranging those things, not the coaching staffs.

Lastly, Dusty I have no desire to ever meet you in person or discuss anything.
Grappler--you disagree with anyone that says anything bad about the current regime and the need to change, that is plain and simple. You sound like a politician with your fence straddling.

Fairly positive? That is what you consider sticking your head in the sand regarding the problems at the U? I'm not bitter per se, I am negative/critical of the current regime based on the results I've discussed.

I didn't know or care about the way they set up the signing of the NA, but thanks for the clarification.

grappler, we have met in person before. Your wife was really nice and congenial, wish you were more like her. Of course, discussing anything with you is like talking to a brick wall from the interaction I've had with you on here as well as in person so you coming out and saying that comment just goes to show your level of congeniality.
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I say we make Hahn cut down a bit. Hahn vs. Eggum wrestle-off for head coach.
I went to an open practice at the U when Eggum was a Senior and Hahn was a freshman. They were doing really long live-go's, and these 2 wrestled for about half an hour straight, and I think they maybe got one or two takedowns each that whole time.
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Dusty you ask for others to develop a comprehensive plan in support of someone, yet ur comprehensive plan is Hire Hahn cuz you think he teaches a better style and will do better and might bring Dake. Very thorough. Nothing any of us says is going to prove anything cuz they are just like our opinions man.

Recruits leaving MN under the program's current situation says more about the current situation than it does about Eggum's ability to recruit. Judging him in that regard, under this current cloud, isn't necessarily fair. Or maybe it is, as he still has a number of top recruits interested despite the uncertainty. Either way he certainly has the cards stacked against him.
Grappler6---I suggested Hahn, cause he has ties to MN and has ties to one of the best wrestlers of the last 20-30 years of college wrestling (Dake, not saying he can get him as a top assistant), plus he has ties to what will probably be a 3x NCAA champ (don't know what Dean's plans are for careers, but if he wanted to coach, I wouldn't turn him down if he wanted to do it for 2-3 years while getting a Master's for cheap as an employee of a great Univ.) There are plenty of better options than Eggum, trust me on that.

Point is, thinking Eggum is gonna be the next great HC when he's been the top man for what? 8-9 years after Morgan left and how has that worked out for us? Remember him and Becker are probably the #1 and #2 technique guys that push JRob's "style". I have not seen the innovation in this program someone else mentioned in their post in the styles that are pushed--it is constantly grinding and grinding---open it up guys. The Ness brothers had style, but how many others can you say had 5 years of style and success? Storley and Schlatter had it when they came in, but became more conservative over time---two of the best recruits we've ever had and they had more success closer to their HS years then their senior circuit years and although Storley was a 4x AA, his finishes didn't "rise" as he got older and I think he lost his last 3 matches to Evans from IA when Evans had absolutely no offense. Did Ruth and Taylor get more or less conservative as time went on? Nelson? With his build being so much better than many others at his weight, I would've thought he would have dominated even more---more pins, TF's, etc. Don't get me wrong, he was awesome...but compare him to other heavyweights and say he couldn't have gotten better. and more dominant. If your gonna say he couldn't have gotten better and started pinning and Teching people then you didn't watch Gwiz in 14/15 or Snyder last year--and you will completely throw out his next two years of dominating heavyweights (those two titles are probably locks and we'll see plenty of pins and TF's from him--just like Gwiz did but more).

And the other posters are right about the recruiting....just look at it people. I can't wait till McKee gets in the lineup, he's damn good, he's fun to watch. Marko? We need another 3 or 4x champ from WI to be a backup for the majority of his career? Does anyone seriously believe he will take the spot from a Sr. Short in 17/18 or a Soph. Stroker? If Marko grows to 157--again, probably Sr. Short at 157 or Stroker that year...maybe I'm wrong and he's the next Hartung, who knows. Bring this post up when that happens and I'll happily eat crow, but I don't think that will happen.

As for 141--Thorn should have it for the next 3 years and McKee for the following 2. I don't know how much money they threw at him, but was it a good use of limited resources? Could that money have been given to Parriott who looks like he could be a beast at 157 down the road. How about doing some background on guys you are recruiting to see if they can even get INTO the school you are recruiting for (if that is the reason Webster and Jeske didn't make it in)---even if that move helps my alma mater---its another point that Eggum and JRob were asleep at the wheel in the recruiting the last few years.

grappler, everyone knows you won't speak bad about the current regime, they let your beloved sing the national anthem 2, 3, 4x a year at duals. Maybe you feel you can't be critical, maybe your head is so far up JRob or Eggum's arse that you can't smell the problem, but there is a MAJOR problem with this program that the majority of this board loves dearly. I don't like seeing us place outside the top 5, let alone outside the top 10. I'm getting really sick of PSU, IA and others kicking our ass on the recruiting trail cause we were the recruit's "in their top 3 or top 5" and then kicking our ass on the mat because we have guys that should never be a starter on a top D1 program cause they are "room guys" that probably are better suited for D2 or D3 programs. I'm sick of our guys coming in and not improving all the way through their 4 years. (Yes, some of them do like a Pfarr, but not the majority of them). 1% a day improvement might be Auggie's motto, but it would be good for the U of MN to heed it. Too few of the top recruits can say that happened to them...taking a few guys like DZ and CY and getting them to place low AA as a 5th year Senior is nice and all, but developing Storley into a 2-3x finalist and a champ for a year or two is gonna place you higher as a team. Taking the Dardanes brothers and turning them into the next Steiners or Brands instead of one pissing it down his leg twice at the NCAA's would be helpful in overtaking PSU. Developing certain weaknesses on guys like the Dardanes (bottom position) would be helpful. These are coaching issues.

I'll continue to support them and will be critical of them and use a line I love in a completely different context but one that might fit here:

"The best defense against the bulls--t is vigilance. So if you smell something, say something."

Right now, there is a lot of BS surrounding this program, JRob needs to take the money and retire. Eggum needs to go too, new HC and an infusion of non-gophers into the coaching staff and the recruiting and coaching needs to improve cause the status quo is not working.

In the the coming year, I'll take a sig bet with anyone if Eggum leads them to a trophy finish (top 4), will anyone else put their "money" where their mouth is? Can't wait to debate in person grappler6.....

Now let the trolls start making the BS comments and name calling on here commence.....


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Parriott is mean as crap on the mat...just won Jrs....would have liked to see that aggression in the maroon and gold.
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We all want to see MN back at the top. A lot of us disagree or have different ideas on how that can occur. No one is more correct than the other as we truly have no idea and are just sharing what we believe. It is also possible that MN could return to the top under several different proposed scenarios. I want resolution and a permanent solution in place.

I am a fairly positive person in all aspects of life. Being bitter and negative is not the person I want to be, nor would it change anything.

Do you really believe the coaching staff is thinking at the beginning of the week "oh crap we don't have a National Anthem singer for Saturday's dual! We better call up grappler6 and see if his wife is available. He sure is nice about us online!" ? There is an entire department and process that handles arranging those things, not the coaching staffs.

Lastly, Dusty I have no desire to ever meet you in person or discuss anything.
Grappler--you disagree with anyone that says anything bad about the current regime and the need to change, that is plain and simple. You sound like a politician with your fence straddling.

Fairly positive? That is what you consider sticking your head in the sand regarding the problems at the U? I'm not bitter per se, I am negative/critical of the current regime based on the results I've discussed.

I didn't know or care about the way they set up the signing of the NA, but thanks for the clarification.

grappler, we have met in person before. Your wife was really nice and congenial, wish you were more like her. Of course, discussing anything with you is like talking to a brick wall from the interaction I've had with you on here as well as in person so you coming out and saying that comment just goes to show your level of congeniality.
we disagree. That's great.

Your attempts of getting personal are super creepy. Leave my wife out of this.

Please describe our interaction. If you are the person I am thinking, sorry I went to the dual with the intent of watching wrestling not chatting or talking fantasy wrestling. Socials are for chatting. If you were so eager to meet me you should have introduced yourself. After all you are always the person that suggests everyone to put their name out there.
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Parriott is mean as crap on the mat...just won Jrs....would have liked to see that aggression in the maroon and gold.
Fredy has the same resume but a year older. I like GP a lot too, but didn't see him fitting in the lineup which is why he chose somewhere else.
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Isn't Stroker better suited at 149 this year and probably down the road? GP looks more like a 157 in 17/18 as a RS Fr. (when Short would be a Sr. and Kingsley would be gone--Stroker would be a RedSoph. and I assume he'd be at 149 still)
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I see them both as 157s I could be wrong but that's how I feel
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Leave it to DWB to make the creepy comments.
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We all want to see MN back at the top. A lot of us disagree or have different ideas on how that can occur. No one is more correct than the other as we truly have no idea and are just sharing what we believe. It is also possible that MN could return to the top under several different proposed scenarios. I want resolution and a permanent solution in place.

I am a fairly positive person in all aspects of life. Being bitter and negative is not the person I want to be, nor would it change anything.

Do you really believe the coaching staff is thinking at the beginning of the week "oh crap we don't have a National Anthem singer for Saturday's dual! We better call up grappler6 and see if his wife is available. He sure is nice about us online!" ? There is an entire department and process that handles arranging those things, not the coaching staffs.

Lastly, Dusty I have no desire to ever meet you in person or discuss anything.
Grappler--you disagree with anyone that says anything bad about the current regime and the need to change, that is plain and simple. You sound like a politician with your fence straddling.

Fairly positive? That is what you consider sticking your head in the sand regarding the problems at the U? I'm not bitter per se, I am negative/critical of the current regime based on the results I've discussed.

I didn't know or care about the way they set up the signing of the NA, but thanks for the clarification.

grappler, we have met in person before. Your wife was really nice and congenial, wish you were more like her. Of course, discussing anything with you is like talking to a brick wall from the interaction I've had with you on here as well as in person so you coming out and saying that comment just goes to show your level of congeniality.
we disagree. That's great.

Your attempts of getting personal are super creepy. Leave my wife out of this.

Please describe our interaction. If you are the person I am thinking, sorry I went to the dual with the intent of watching wrestling not chatting or talking fantasy wrestling. Socials are for chatting. If you were so eager to meet me you should have introduced yourself. After all you are always the person that suggests everyone to put their name out there.
DWB79, your long essay was well written. I agree with you that things need to change. However, your arse comment and bringing up Grappler6's wife ruins a well thought out argument. I do not understand why posters with good arguments resort to name calling and degrading other people. Make your point and move on. We all route for the same team and want it to succeed. We just disagree on how to achieve that success.
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I'm 100% behind Eggum this year, if in fact J takes the buyout. I had a conversation with him once back when he was competing, and even back then he had a great wrestling mind. I left the conversation thinking this guy will be a top coach someday. The only question is can he pull in the top recruits being the guy in charge. With that being said I kind of hope they do open a national search just to see who would be interested in the job. I just hope Coyle and the hiring committee don't think the grass is greener elsewhere, just for the sake of change.
I differ in opinion, as it is well known, I would prefer the U of M go in a different direction and bring in some one fresh. I am concerned that they will just go with Eggum instead of initiating a true open national search. It would be great to see who shows interest and what they could bring to the table. Sometimes it seems like these universities are just going through the motions when hiring and already have their selection before the process starts.
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Is the jump from Div II to Div I too much to consider Constanzo? Look at what he has done at SCSU? He has been successful at every level? And his recruiting has not just been in Minnesota, he has brought wrestlers in from all over. Just some thoughts?
I have said this in the past and the response I got was there are very few people who believe that a coach with little or no D1 coaching or wrestling experience (I don't believe he has either) would be qualified for a major Big Ten head coaching job.

I would love to see him given the opportunity personally.
I am sure plenty of programs would be interested in Costanzo, just maybe not the upper tier teams at this point. Certainly has great things going at SCSU
A Northern Iowa, SDSU, NDSU would be a great fit if a head coaching position ever opened up. Constanzo does a great job of recruiting the kids that are overlooked or not interested in the larger schools.
There is no con to Costanzo's game. Put him in a D-1 program and he will recruit top shelf D-1 talent both instate and out of state. At Dana 10% of the student body was on the wrestling team. That takes selling what you have to both the wrestlers and the school. (and a small school) At St. Cloud he took over a program on the brink of being cut and has turned it around totally. IMHO he would be a good choice for the Gophers. His rosters at both schools have had wrestlers from all over the country. He must have some connections out there.
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I think that for the U to finally get something right out of this whole mess. They need to open the position up and announce who the final 5 candidates are. At that point if Eggum is named the head coach at least fans will feel like he was the best for the job and not have this next man up feeling.
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I am sure plenty of programs would be interested in Costanzo, just maybe not the upper tier teams at this point. Certainly has great things going at SCSU
A Northern Iowa, SDSU, NDSU would be a great fit if a head coaching position ever opened up. Constanzo does a great job of recruiting the kids that are overlooked or not interested in the larger schools.
There is no con to Costanzo's game. Put him in a D-1 program and he will recruit top shelf D-1 talent both instate and out of state. At Dana 10% of the student body was on the wrestling team. That takes selling what you have to both the wrestlers and the school. (and a small school) At St. Cloud he took over a program on the brink of being cut and has turned it around totally. IMHO he would be a good choice for the Gophers. His rosters at both schools have had wrestlers from all over the country. He must have some connections out there.
Would be nice to see a team like St. Cloud make the jump to D1. More colleges with wrestling opportunities at the top level would help improve the quality of wrestling in this state.
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It's odd that the State of Minnesota only has one D1 school. There are only 4 other states that only have 1 D1 school, Hawaii, Maine, Vermont, and Wyoming. (I am not considering schools that are D1 for hockey, but D2 for everything else else)
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There is no con to Costanzo's game. Put him in a D-1 program and he will recruit top shelf D-1 talent both instate and out of state. At Dana 10% of the student body was on the wrestling team. That takes selling what you have to both the wrestlers and the school. (and a small school) At St. Cloud he took over a program on the brink of being cut and has turned it around totally. IMHO he would be a good choice for the Gophers. His rosters at both schools have had wrestlers from all over the country. He must have some connections out there.
Be honest with yourself. We, as fans, have gotten used to a certain level of success from the Gophers. That means recruiting kids whose ultimate goals are multiple national titles and world medals. Right now, the program could go in a few directions depending on who the next coach is. Costanzo would be a setback. Cael Sanderson, John Smith, the Brands Brothers, Tom Ryan, and Costanzo are knocking at your door. Why would I choose Costanzo? Like others, I'm not saying he's a bad coach. He's just not the answer for a team trying to consistently compete for D1 championships.
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It's odd that the State of Minnesota only has one D1 school. There are only 4 other states that only have 1 D1 school, Hawaii, Maine, Vermont, and Wyoming. (I am not considering schools that are D1 for hockey, but D2 for everything else else)
There is absolutly no reason that St. Cloud State couldn't be a successful lower level D1 school.

for 2015 NDSU enrollment 14,516 St Cloud state 15,461

about 900 students less and 5 time NCAA FCS National Champions! plus a successful wrestling program.
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that'safactjack
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There is no con to Costanzo's game. Put him in a D-1 program and he will recruit top shelf D-1 talent both instate and out of state. At Dana 10% of the student body was on the wrestling team. That takes selling what you have to both the wrestlers and the school. (and a small school) At St. Cloud he took over a program on the brink of being cut and has turned it around totally. IMHO he would be a good choice for the Gophers. His rosters at both schools have had wrestlers from all over the country. He must have some connections out there.
Be honest with yourself. We, as fans, have gotten used to a certain level of success from the Gophers. That means recruiting kids whose ultimate goals are multiple national titles and world medals. Right now, the program could go in a few directions depending on who the next coach is. Costanzo would be a setback. Cael Sanderson, John Smith, the Brands Brothers, Tom Ryan, and Costanzo are knocking at your door. Why would I choose Costanzo? Like others, I'm not saying he's a bad coach. He's just not the answer for a team trying to consistently compete for D1 championships.
You act like all those coaches are knocking on anyones door. You picked the top echelon of college coaches that are never going to leave their schools and then you picked Costanzo.

This just in, if the Gophers do hire a new coach, no one you mentioned is going to be in the running for the job either.

Are there more qualified D1 Big Ten coaches? Probably. Is Costanzo a more qualified coach than many other D1 coaches? Taking a program that was about as low as it could get and in 10 years win back to back national tites? I would say so.

As many have said, he is probably not the right fit to sell to the fans or the immediate recruits. But if your plan is long term success, he very well could be.
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It's odd that the State of Minnesota only has one D1 school. There are only 4 other states that only have 1 D1 school, Hawaii, Maine, Vermont, and Wyoming. (I am not considering schools that are D1 for hockey, but D2 for everything else else)
There is absolutly no reason that St. Cloud State couldn't be a successful lower level D1 school.

for 2015 NDSU enrollment 14,516 St Cloud state 15,461

about 900 students less and 5 time NCAA FCS National Champions! plus a successful wrestling program.
Its all about money and right now, SCSU has none.
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Sep 7 2016, 11:57 AM
It's odd that the State of Minnesota only has one D1 school. There are only 4 other states that only have 1 D1 school, Hawaii, Maine, Vermont, and Wyoming. (I am not considering schools that are D1 for hockey, but D2 for everything else else)
There is absolutly no reason that St. Cloud State couldn't be a successful lower level D1 school.

for 2015 NDSU enrollment 14,516 St Cloud state 15,461

about 900 students less and 5 time NCAA FCS National Champions! plus a successful wrestling program.
1 reason off the top of my head why they couldnt would be lack of support from the administration. They cut everything but hockey around there.
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that'safactjack
Sep 7 2016, 06:58 AM
There is no con to Costanzo's game. Put him in a D-1 program and he will recruit top shelf D-1 talent both instate and out of state. At Dana 10% of the student body was on the wrestling team. That takes selling what you have to both the wrestlers and the school. (and a small school) At St. Cloud he took over a program on the brink of being cut and has turned it around totally. IMHO he would be a good choice for the Gophers. His rosters at both schools have had wrestlers from all over the country. He must have some connections out there.
Be honest with yourself. We, as fans, have gotten used to a certain level of success from the Gophers. That means recruiting kids whose ultimate goals are multiple national titles and world medals. Right now, the program could go in a few directions depending on who the next coach is. Costanzo would be a setback. Cael Sanderson, John Smith, the Brands Brothers, Tom Ryan, and Costanzo are knocking at your door. Why would I choose Costanzo? Like others, I'm not saying he's a bad coach. He's just not the answer for a team trying to consistently compete for D1 championships.
You act like all those coaches are knocking on anyones door. You picked the top echelon of college coaches that are never going to leave their schools and then you picked Costanzo.

This just in, if the Gophers do hire a new coach, no one you mentioned is going to be in the running for the job either.

Are there more qualified D1 Big Ten coaches? Probably. Is Costanzo a more qualified coach than many other D1 coaches? Taking a program that was about as low as it could get and in 10 years win back to back national tites? I would say so.

As many have said, he is probably not the right fit to sell to the fans or the immediate recruits. But if your plan is long term success, he very well could be.
Gonz I think he meant if they were recruiting someone, is that recruit going to pick Costanzo over Cael, Smith, etc.

I read it the way u interpreted it originally too.
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Well out of the top ten Mn seniors only one chose the Gophers as is so it can't get much worse on the recruiting front. Think outside the box on this next hire I say.
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