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Sep 7 2016, 06:58 AM
There is no con to Costanzo's game. Put him in a D-1 program and he will recruit top shelf D-1 talent both instate and out of state. At Dana 10% of the student body was on the wrestling team. That takes selling what you have to both the wrestlers and the school. (and a small school) At St. Cloud he took over a program on the brink of being cut and has turned it around totally. IMHO he would be a good choice for the Gophers. His rosters at both schools have had wrestlers from all over the country. He must have some connections out there.
Be honest with yourself. We, as fans, have gotten used to a certain level of success from the Gophers. That means recruiting kids whose ultimate goals are multiple national titles and world medals. Right now, the program could go in a few directions depending on who the next coach is. Costanzo would be a setback. Cael Sanderson, John Smith, the Brands Brothers, Tom Ryan, and Costanzo are knocking at your door. Why would I choose Costanzo? Like others, I'm not saying he's a bad coach. He's just not the answer for a team trying to consistently compete for D1 championships.
You act like all those coaches are knocking on anyones door. You picked the top echelon of college coaches that are never going to leave their schools and then you picked Costanzo.

This just in, if the Gophers do hire a new coach, no one you mentioned is going to be in the running for the job either.

Are there more qualified D1 Big Ten coaches? Probably. Is Costanzo a more qualified coach than many other D1 coaches? Taking a program that was about as low as it could get and in 10 years win back to back national tites? I would say so.

As many have said, he is probably not the right fit to sell to the fans or the immediate recruits. But if your plan is long term success, he very well could be.
I named them because that's who he would be competing against for top recruits. They're knocking on recruit's doors. There are other people out there with name value that can compete with those guys. If you'd be happy long term with the Gophers being 6th-15th regularly, Costanzo might be the best guy. I'd prefer they're consistently top 5 with legit shots for titles.
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Sep 7 2016, 06:58 AM
There is no con to Costanzo's game. Put him in a D-1 program and he will recruit top shelf D-1 talent both instate and out of state. At Dana 10% of the student body was on the wrestling team. That takes selling what you have to both the wrestlers and the school. (and a small school) At St. Cloud he took over a program on the brink of being cut and has turned it around totally. IMHO he would be a good choice for the Gophers. His rosters at both schools have had wrestlers from all over the country. He must have some connections out there.
Be honest with yourself. We, as fans, have gotten used to a certain level of success from the Gophers. That means recruiting kids whose ultimate goals are multiple national titles and world medals. Right now, the program could go in a few directions depending on who the next coach is. Costanzo would be a setback. Cael Sanderson, John Smith, the Brands Brothers, Tom Ryan, and Costanzo are knocking at your door. Why would I choose Costanzo? Like others, I'm not saying he's a bad coach. He's just not the answer for a team trying to consistently compete for D1 championships.
You act like all those coaches are knocking on anyones door. You picked the top echelon of college coaches that are never going to leave their schools and then you picked Costanzo.

This just in, if the Gophers do hire a new coach, no one you mentioned is going to be in the running for the job either.

Are there more qualified D1 Big Ten coaches? Probably. Is Costanzo a more qualified coach than many other D1 coaches? Taking a program that was about as low as it could get and in 10 years win back to back national tites? I would say so.

As many have said, he is probably not the right fit to sell to the fans or the immediate recruits. But if your plan is long term success, he very well could be.
Gonz I think he meant if they were recruiting someone, is that recruit going to pick Costanzo over Cael, Smith, etc.

I read it the way u interpreted it originally too.
Fair enough.
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There is no con to Costanzo's game. Put him in a D-1 program and he will recruit top shelf D-1 talent both instate and out of state. At Dana 10% of the student body was on the wrestling team. That takes selling what you have to both the wrestlers and the school. (and a small school) At St. Cloud he took over a program on the brink of being cut and has turned it around totally. IMHO he would be a good choice for the Gophers. His rosters at both schools have had wrestlers from all over the country. He must have some connections out there.
Be honest with yourself. We, as fans, have gotten used to a certain level of success from the Gophers. That means recruiting kids whose ultimate goals are multiple national titles and world medals. Right now, the program could go in a few directions depending on who the next coach is. Costanzo would be a setback. Cael Sanderson, John Smith, the Brands Brothers, Tom Ryan, and Costanzo are knocking at your door. Why would I choose Costanzo? Like others, I'm not saying he's a bad coach. He's just not the answer for a team trying to consistently compete for D1 championships.
You act like all those coaches are knocking on anyones door. You picked the top echelon of college coaches that are never going to leave their schools and then you picked Costanzo.

This just in, if the Gophers do hire a new coach, no one you mentioned is going to be in the running for the job either.

Are there more qualified D1 Big Ten coaches? Probably. Is Costanzo a more qualified coach than many other D1 coaches? Taking a program that was about as low as it could get and in 10 years win back to back national tites? I would say so.

As many have said, he is probably not the right fit to sell to the fans or the immediate recruits. But if your plan is long term success, he very well could be.
I named them because that's who he would be competing against for top recruits. They're knocking on recruit's doors. There are other people out there with name value that can compete with those guys. If you'd be happy long term with the Gophers being 6th-15th regularly, Costanzo might be the best guy. I'd prefer they're consistently top 5 with legit shots for titles.
Then who are you hiring?

Costanzo has been a winner, everywhere he has coached.
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Mike Denny if you are going outside D1.
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There is no con to Costanzo's game. Put him in a D-1 program and he will recruit top shelf D-1 talent both instate and out of state. At Dana 10% of the student body was on the wrestling team. That takes selling what you have to both the wrestlers and the school. (and a small school) At St. Cloud he took over a program on the brink of being cut and has turned it around totally. IMHO he would be a good choice for the Gophers. His rosters at both schools have had wrestlers from all over the country. He must have some connections out there.
Be honest with yourself. We, as fans, have gotten used to a certain level of success from the Gophers. That means recruiting kids whose ultimate goals are multiple national titles and world medals. Right now, the program could go in a few directions depending on who the next coach is. Costanzo would be a setback. Cael Sanderson, John Smith, the Brands Brothers, Tom Ryan, and Costanzo are knocking at your door. Why would I choose Costanzo? Like others, I'm not saying he's a bad coach. He's just not the answer for a team trying to consistently compete for D1 championships.
I guess I need to do a better job of keeping up. I didn't realize we were winning these recruiting battles now.
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Sep 7 2016, 02:45 PM
Well out of the top ten Mn seniors only one chose the Gophers as is so it can't get much worse on the recruiting front. Think outside the box on this next hire I say.
You are so true..... That was the highest amount of ranked seniors MN has ever had and all but McKee went somewhere else, SAD! When almost all of those wrestlers were at different weights we could have had one of the first all true MN teams to win a national title in that fashion......
Now, did we have the ability to give that amount of money out to that many kids --- absolutely NO, but if I was them I would have sealed the deal better by doing the following:
Get all of them in the same room together (they were all buddies, and competed on many GOLD medal national MN teams together no matter what school they were from-from Schoolboy age on up) and tell them, hey guys we want as many of you as possible but we can't accomplish that if all of you want 70-100%. We could offer many of you 50% & then find many camp opportunities to make up the difference, if you would all agree to compete together to WIN more national TITLES!!!!
That crew would have been lights out fantastic......

We can still recover if we bring in another coach to assist Eggum/Becker with a little more firepower, that attracts the current HS generation! We have many current high ranked high school seniors & juniors that absolutely should not leave our state (Berge & Steveson) and we WIN many TITLES period.
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We can't win a National title with 10 Minnesota guys, just not going to happen. Didn't happen in 01, 02, or 07. I think the closest they got was 7 of 10 or 6 of 10. (Vega, Lawrence, Hahn and Lowney were stalwarts...and I think B. Lawrence was on one of the two earlier teams.)

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We can't win a National title with 10 Minnesota guys, just not going to happen. Didn't happen in 01, 02, or 07. I think the closest they got was 7 of 10 or 6 of 10. (Vega, Lawrence, Hahn and Lowney were stalwarts...and I think B. Lawrence was on one of the two earlier teams.
Recruiting is only going to get tougher now the PA kids can stay "home" and attend PSU. And the east coast kids can stay "home" at Rutgers and Maryland and still compete in the big ten. Heck NC state and Cornell is turning out a hell of a product. It's not like the gable and Smith days when kids had to go to the Midwest to be the best. There are great programs everywhere now.
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Willie posted a stat that only 4 teams have had All Americans at every weight since 2010. PSU, OKST, IA and MN. Handful with 9/10.
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Well out of the top ten Mn seniors only one chose the Gophers as is so it can't get much worse on the recruiting front. Think outside the box on this next hire I say.
You are so true..... That was the highest amount of ranked seniors MN has ever had and all but McKee went somewhere else, SAD! When almost all of those wrestlers were at different weights we could have had one of the first all true MN teams to win a national title in that fashion......
Now, did we have the ability to give that amount of money out to that many kids --- absolutely NO, but if I was them I would have sealed the deal better by doing the following:
Get all of them in the same room together (they were all buddies, and competed on many GOLD medal national MN teams together no matter what school they were from-from Schoolboy age on up) and tell them, hey guys we want as many of you as possible but we can't accomplish that if all of you want 70-100%. We could offer many of you 50% & then find many camp opportunities to make up the difference, if you would all agree to compete together to WIN more national TITLES!!!!
That crew would have been lights out fantastic......

We can still recover if we bring in another coach to assist Eggum/Becker with a little more firepower, that attracts the current HS generation! We have many current high ranked high school seniors & juniors that absolutely should not leave our state (Berge & Steveson) and we WIN many TITLES period.
The recruiting aspect of your statement is a great idea (in theory), but unfortunately - all kids are looking for different things at schools - not just wrestling. Schools that have a "need" for a weight - and are willing to offer much more then the "U" will offer.

Historically, the gophers have never offered much money to the MN kids, they are betting on the fact that the kids want to stay home, and that quantity is going to produce a diamond in the rough - on the cheap.

Also, working the camps is really not scholarship money, it is a job. And in most cases you are better off going to get a job that will pay way more per hour, if you calculate the time that you are going to be putting into the camp. They make it sound like it is a big financial gain.

Maybe with a new head coach - scholarship money for Minnesota kids will increase, because with the cost of school going through the roof I believe it is a lot more important factor these days.
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I suppose Eggum and crew can find solace in the fact that they are having more recruiting success than the basketball team.
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#72 Parker Filius from MT chose Purdue over North Carolina, Virginia Tech, and Minnesota. He projects at 141/149.
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Brent Jones commits to the GOPHERS!!!
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Brent Jones commits to the GOPHERS!!!
Awesome news, congrats to Brent and the Jones family!
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Hopefully the other two Shakopee hammers follow suit....
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I suppose Eggum and crew can find solace in the fact that they are having more recruiting success than the basketball team.
I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
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http://www.flowrestling.org/video/993194-schlatter-at-c3-talking-minnesota-and-recruiting

Schlatter in IA working a recruiting combine.
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Where is Nick Reenan going to school?
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Where is Nick Reenan going to school?
NC State
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Mantanona of CA has scholarship offer pulled from ISU after visiting OK. I wonder if he will fully reopen his recruiting or just sign with OK? Have never heard any link to MN for him but he intrigues me as a prospect.
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Ohio State Just signed a 220 to be a HWT (#1 220 Chase Singletary)
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Ohio State Just signed a 220 to be a HWT (#1 220 Chase Singletary)
Thats a good sign that Gable isnt chosing Ohio State. Not ruling them out, just sharing my optimistic thoughts. B)
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Ohio State Just signed a 220 to be a HWT (#1 220 Chase Singletary)
Thats a good sign that Gable isnt chosing Ohio State. Not ruling them out, just sharing my optimistic thoughts. B)
Ill add that im sure Gable isnt worried about any wrestler taking his spot as he is the BEST! Just think that if tOSU thought that they had a good shot at Gable then they wouldnt have spent money on Singletary.
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I guess I view Singletary as a 197 to start. Anywhere list him as a heavyweight?
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Flo tweet did (attached to article from CP)
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Ohio state said they weren't done yet either via twitter. Both Fix and Warner had them among their top 5. Hope it ain't one of them.
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Warner would be my guess of seniors.

I would be totally shocked if Fix leaves Ok State. I think it is wise for him to take his visits and look though
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Anyone hear the Gable interview this week? They were talking about him being matched up with Kyle Snyder. I always assumed he'd be a HWT at the Sr Level. And I still think that. Were they implying that he would be a 97k? I just don't see that happening
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