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Topic Started: Dec 31 2014, 07:48 PM (944,696 Views)
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Oct 24 2016, 09:12 AM
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Oct 24 2016, 05:46 AM
Studs don't go to these colleges for academics, they go to wrestle and right now Minnesota doesn't have much to offer them. Maybe if Eggum has a good year as coach, but I still don't know if he can bring in the big names other than maybe Gable but he's been a Minny fan for a long time and his brother is on the squad.
"they go to wrestle"

What is the average salary for a wrestler, who is training, after college? Answer: Rarely do they get any financial help when competing after college. I'm pretty sure the vast majority has plans to get a degree as well as wrestle in college.
If they don't have a plan for a degree, they certainly should. But watching these Flo announcement videos really make me wonder if some of them do.

Almost no one makes a living from wrestling, apart from coaching and that usually requires an education degree of some kind.

A few will make some big bucks like Burroughs has, but for every one that does there are thousands who don't make it close to his level of success.
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Oct 24 2016, 09:37 AM
The downfall for a lot of U of M sports and support thereafter is the face that this Twin Cities area has 4 major professional sports to compete with. When you look at Happy Valley, Nebraska, Iowa & tOSU that is all they have. The level of support is there because the lack of other options. I don't buy into the U is more difficult to get into argument because I know that WI, IA, NW, etc ... all have very stringent standards when it comes to academics. Losing the general college years ago did hurt us considerably, but this isn't the SEC or ACC in football that we are competing against here.

We just all have to show up for home matches and force them to move events to Williams Arena. This type of support alone is what will draw in more athletes to come from out of state as well as instate. I remember having the border battle with IA in the Target Center because the match was so big.
I believe wrestling is generally a "cult" sport. With that being said - Minnesota has no other Division I competition in the state. According to NCAA Web site - it appears that Iowa, PA, & Ohio have a lot more competition - especially when recruiting in-state athletes.

PA - 11 Division I schools
IA - 3 Division I schools
OH - 3 Division I schools
MN - 1 Division I school

The claim is MN is a hockey state, and the U is a hockey school - so until U of M starts advertising and promoting wrestling as one of it's strengths - probably not going to gain over a ton of new fans - just die hard wrestling fans. And that is probably true in a lot of Big 10 schools - not just MN.
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Iowa had the lowest ACT range for admission at 22 from what I researched . Minnesota at 25(several had 25 as well) was behind only NW at 30 and MI and WI at 26. Saw conflicting reports but generally they had the same scores within a point or two. Most Big Ten colleges are 24-26 with just IA and MSU being below if memory serves correct.

Getting into these schools is no cakewalk and athletes are held to the same admission standards as other students. With the APR in effect I would imagine it limits the amount of risks universities are willing to take on athletes, especially non rev athletes.

Iowa also accepts 80% of applicants where MN is slightly below 50%. Minnesota is a pretty good public university with four of their programs ranking top ten nationally among all schools. MN and NW are the only big ten schools located in or near major cities. Depending on the recruit that could be bad or good.
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Studs don't go to these colleges for academics, they go to wrestle and right now Minnesota doesn't have much to offer them. Maybe if Eggum has a good year as coach, but I still don't know if he can bring in the big names other than maybe Gable but he's been a Minny fan for a long time and his brother is on the squad.
"they go to wrestle"

What is the average salary for a wrestler, who is training, after college? Answer: Rarely do they get any financial help when competing after college. I'm pretty sure the vast majority has plans to get a degree as well as wrestle in college.
I want to elaborate what I meant. Of course they get a degree of some sort once they graduate; however, when a stud picks a college to wrestle for, first and foremost, they're thinking of their wrestling career. You can't tell me all the studs are choosing Penn St. because it's better academically; no, they're choosing Penn St. because it's better for them wrestling wise and they get to wrestle for a power house. Kids don't want to wrestle for Apple Valley because it's a great school academically (although that's a great reason to while your in high school), it's because they're the best wrestling school in the state! I guarantee it would have been cheaper for some of these studs to go somewhere else because Penn St. can't be offering all these kids full rides, and a lot of them deserve full-ride scholarships!
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Oct 24 2016, 09:41 AM
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Studs don't go to these colleges for academics, they go to wrestle and right now Minnesota doesn't have much to offer them. Maybe if Eggum has a good year as coach, but I still don't know if he can bring in the big names other than maybe Gable but he's been a Minny fan for a long time and his brother is on the squad.
"they go to wrestle"

What is the average salary for a wrestler, who is training, after college? Answer: Rarely do they get any financial help when competing after college. I'm pretty sure the vast majority has plans to get a degree as well as wrestle in college.
If they don't have a plan for a degree, they certainly should. But watching these Flo announcement videos really make me wonder if some of them do.

Almost no one makes a living from wrestling, apart from coaching and that usually requires an education degree of some kind.

A few will make some big bucks like Burroughs has, but for every one that does there are thousands who don't make it close to his level of success.
Do you really blame them if they do? With all the all Star tournaments throughout the offseason, Flo treats these kids like celebrities. With all the travel and money invested by some families, all these kids know is wrestling is the top priority.


But like any sport their still are plenty of kids who are true student athletes. Look at Adam coon, he still wants to be a freaking astronaut.
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Oct 24 2016, 06:10 PM
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Oct 24 2016, 09:41 AM
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Oct 24 2016, 09:12 AM
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Oct 24 2016, 05:46 AM
Studs don't go to these colleges for academics, they go to wrestle and right now Minnesota doesn't have much to offer them. Maybe if Eggum has a good year as coach, but I still don't know if he can bring in the big names other than maybe Gable but he's been a Minny fan for a long time and his brother is on the squad.
"they go to wrestle"

What is the average salary for a wrestler, who is training, after college? Answer: Rarely do they get any financial help when competing after college. I'm pretty sure the vast majority has plans to get a degree as well as wrestle in college.
If they don't have a plan for a degree, they certainly should. But watching these Flo announcement videos really make me wonder if some of them do.

Almost no one makes a living from wrestling, apart from coaching and that usually requires an education degree of some kind.

A few will make some big bucks like Burroughs has, but for every one that does there are thousands who don't make it close to his level of success.
Do you really blame them if they do? With all the all Star tournaments throughout the offseason, Flo treats these kids like celebrities. With all the travel and money invested by some families, all these kids know is wrestling is the top priority.


But like any sport their still are plenty of kids who are true student athletes. Look at Adam coon, he still wants to be a freaking astronaut.
They need parents and high school coaches guiding them.

Michael Kroells will get into space before Coon...he's 20 pounds lighter.
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Plus I think Coon is too tall to be an astronaut.
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Oct 24 2016, 06:47 AM
Next to Northwestern, Minnesota is the most difficult school to get into in the BIG. There have been athletes that can't get into Minnesota that have been accepted at other BIG schools.


Your kidding right ?
As soon as I read that post I knew you were not going to be many post away. Let's catch up.
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Oct 24 2016, 04:56 AM
MN is one of the top Big 10 schools academically and is nationally reknowned academically as well.
Well, here's an unbiased (less biased?) source of info on which schools are rated the highest. Actual results for the individual student, though, is probably based more on what they went to school for and how well they applied themselves, rather than the actual school they went to.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public
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Oct 24 2016, 04:56 AM
MN is one of the top Big 10 schools academically and is nationally reknowned academically as well.
Well, here's an unbiased (less biased?) source of info on which schools are rated the highest. Actual results for the individual student, though, is probably based more on what they went to school for and how well they applied themselves, rather than the actual school they went to.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public
Go47 & I did just fine coming out of "The Harvard of Blue Earth County". ;)

As an employer, I'll pick a wrestler, when all other considerations are approximately equivalent.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevecooper/2012/07/31/why-wrestlers-make-the-best-employees/#53376d61734a

http://www.isaiahhankel.com/wrestling-in-business-and-entrepreneurship

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Add this...
U.S. PRESIDENTS
Chester Arthur
Calvin Coolidge
Dwight Eisenhower
Ulysses S Grant
Andrew Jackson
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Zachary Taylor
John Tyler
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https://iawrestle.com/2016/10/25/jacob-warner-discusses-iowa-recruiting-visit/
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I know it's been said, and I know most on here are all for keeping the staff we have, but recruiting right now looks like it has a lot to do with who's on your staff. The Gophs need a big name (Burroughs, Taylor, Dake, etc.). The name Eggum might mean a lot to people on this board, but it means little to nothing to 17 year olds across the country.
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Oct 24 2016, 04:56 AM
MN is one of the top Big 10 schools academically and is nationally reknowned academically as well.
Well, here's an unbiased (less biased?) source of info on which schools are rated the highest. Actual results for the individual student, though, is probably based more on what they went to school for and how well they applied themselves, rather than the actual school they went to.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/08/25/university-michigan-top-big-school-school-ranking/32344413/
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Acceptance rate, ACT of freshmen

PSU 53%, 25-29
MN 44%, 26-30
Purdue 64%, 25-30
WI 57%, 26-30
Ill 62.4%, 26-31
Mich 34%, 29-33
NW 15%, 31-34
Iowa 80%, 25-28

Form digging on each schools' sites. Point being, no one is going to PSU for academics as compared to MN!
There is more subjective analysis that is hard to quantify of course. For instance, the U of MN Chemical Engineering program is among the best in the world. Then to add research and other thngs, different schools have their niche. Overall, the U of MN is a top tier university.
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Acceptance rate, ACT of freshmen

PSU 53%, 25-29
MN 44%, 26-30
Purdue 64%, 25-30
WI 57%, 26-30
Ill 62.4%, 26-31
Mich 34%, 29-33
NW 15%, 31-34
Iowa 80%, 25-28

Form digging on each schools' sites. Point being, no one is going to PSU for academics as compared to MN!
There is more subjective analysis that is hard to quantify of course. For instance, the U of MN Chemical Engineering program is among the best in the world. Then to add research and other thngs, different schools have their niche. Overall, the U of MN is a top tier university.
Overall, the Big 10 in general are all top tier Universities.
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Oct 23 2016, 07:33 PM
Not a great acedemic school...
Beats wherever you went...
Edited by Iowan@heart, Oct 25 2016, 10:53 AM.
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Oct 25 2016, 08:30 AM
Stupid Iowa publication can't even spell Berge's name.
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Not a great acedemic school...
Beats wherever you went...
You do realize that TF stated that the U of MN is where he did go to school. I actually agree with Gonzaga in that overall all of Big 10 schools are top tier Universities. Iowa is probably the weakest of them, but still a pretty strong school.
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I guess that proves my point then, I didn't even learn to spell at the U
Edited by true future, Oct 25 2016, 01:36 PM.
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Okie State is at 22-28 for ACT for comparison sake.
Edited by Andy Voit, Oct 25 2016, 02:28 PM.
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Really tho, It's more based on what you go to school for and how hard you work at it than any other metric.
Edited by Andy Voit, Oct 25 2016, 02:31 PM.
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Oct 25 2016, 01:32 PM
I guess that proves my point then, I didn't even learn to spell at the U
I seriously doubt the U (of MN) even bothers teaching students how to spell the word academic. My guess is that true future has gone through life never knowing how to properly spell academic as well as many other words. It's not the U's fault. That is the responsibility of K-12.
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Iowa is probably the weakest of them, but still a pretty strong school.
You mean Nebraska.
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Where the N stands for "knowledge"
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Oct 24 2016, 09:09 PM
Plus I think Coon is too tall to be an astronaut.
Don't you listen to the big ten announcers? Every single time he wrestles they state his size and that he is too big. But don't worry he has a solution, he is going to redesign the seat and cab :)
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Glad the recruit thread turned into an academic thread.
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Glad the recruit thread turned into an academic thread.
Right! Any good news on the recruiting trail people?
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Berge made his decision!!

http://www.postbulletin.com/berge-commits
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