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Topic Started: Dec 31 2014, 07:48 PM (944,694 Views)
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Awesome, another one to PSU. I'm done
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Nov 2 2016, 10:20 AM
Berge is announcing at 4pm, today.

I would take Bergeland over Sasso based on attitude and room to improve, to be honest.
My little brother has a great attitude and tons of room for improvement! In fact, he's never wrestled. Think of all the improvements that could be made! Gophers should go after him.
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Who hates Penn State just doesn't roll off the tongue while chanting.

CD next time Cael asks if someone will be a good teammate, just say no.

Goodluck to Brady. Will always remember the standing O he got for his return to the arena. Cool moment.
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Nov 2 2016, 03:10 PM
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Nov 2 2016, 10:20 AM
Berge is announcing at 4pm, today.

I would take Bergeland over Sasso based on attitude and room to improve, to be honest.
My little brother has a great attitude and tons of room for improvement! In fact, he's never wrestled. Think of all the improvements that could be made! Gophers should go after him.
Genetics could be lacking ;)
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Does anyone know how much camp money a wrestlers from PSU, Iowa and Minnesota could earn through the course of their careers?
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I am sure it was a tough decision to make for Brady, but there are a lot of studs on PSU, not all can wrestle. Any idea of which weight he wants to wrestle at? Eventually, and not saying it is a guarantee, will we see any kids wrestling at PSU or committing too transfer?

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Nov 2 2016, 03:24 PM
Does anyone know how much camp money a wrestlers from PSU, Iowa and Minnesota could earn through the course of their careers?
I would imagine unlimited would be the answer, just depends on what someone is willing to pay. JRob camps feeds J first and wrestlers second. Not sure what other universities do but would imagine wrestlers get bigger percentages.
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Nov 2 2016, 03:10 PM
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Nov 2 2016, 10:20 AM
Berge is announcing at 4pm, today.

I would take Bergeland over Sasso based on attitude and room to improve, to be honest.
My little brother has a great attitude and tons of room for improvement! In fact, he's never wrestled. Think of all the improvements that could be made! Gophers should go after him.
Genetics could be lacking ;)
True. That just means more room for improvement though.


Anyways, back to the thread. Good luck to Brady. Hope he doesn't have to take out too much in loans and gets to start at least three years.
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Maybe Brady didn't figure he could beat Early and Stroker so he went where he could start right away. Pundits saying he is going 149/157
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This is just sad for College wrestling. The parity is pathetic.

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I am just kind of happy it isn't Iowa.
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Ok, I'm over my 5 minutes of disappointment. It never really sounded like Berge was coming here anyway. Unfortunately, it looks like PSU will be the heavy favorites over the next 5 years, and the battle will really be for who finishes second. All is not lost. If we can land Gable, Lloyd, and Cashman, we could start building for a pretty good run at it!
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Nov 2 2016, 03:10 PM
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Nov 2 2016, 10:20 AM
Berge is announcing at 4pm, today.

I would take Bergeland over Sasso based on attitude and room to improve, to be honest.
My little brother has a great attitude and tons of room for improvement! In fact, he's never wrestled. Think of all the improvements that could be made! Gophers should go after him.
Did your little brother recently take 2nd at Super 32? I think you're being unnecessarily obtuse, here.

It's definitely a gut feeling with little to no objective data behind it, but in watching Sasso wrestle in the Fargo finals last year, he kinda looked like he wanted to do just enough to win. Sasso also has so much success behind him, already, and my gut says that when things get hard at the next level, he won't be hard to crack. I don't feel that way about Bergeland. I know neither of them personally, it was just a comment.

Also, We Are ^_^
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Nov 2 2016, 05:33 PM
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Nov 2 2016, 03:10 PM
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Nov 2 2016, 10:20 AM
Berge is announcing at 4pm, today.

I would take Bergeland over Sasso based on attitude and room to improve, to be honest.
My little brother has a great attitude and tons of room for improvement! In fact, he's never wrestled. Think of all the improvements that could be made! Gophers should go after him.
Did your little brother recently take 2nd at Super 32? I think you're being unnecessarily obtuse, here.

It's definitely a gut feeling with little to no objective data behind it, but in watching Sasso wrestle in the Fargo finals last year, he kinda looked like he wanted to do just enough to win. Sasso also has so much success behind him, already, and my gut says that when things get hard at the next level, he won't be hard to crack. I don't feel that way about Bergeland. I know neither of them personally, it was just a comment.

Also, We Are ^_^
When did PSU start using that "We are ..."? Did it originate from Marshal?
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Good luck to Berge. If he stays at 149 it is a good fit for him.
I just don't think 149 is the best weight for him.
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I figured he wasn't coming here. If he decides to go 149 as a Redshirt Fr. in 18/19 after Zain is gone (since Nolf would be a Sr.), then I think I'll take Stroker as a Jr.---Cutting from 160-149 over a couple years after a year in the college weight room will be huge cut and I think his RFr. year might not go as well as he'd like...I assume he'll try to go up for his final 3 years once Nolf is gone. I have no idea if Manville will ever make the lineup there, assuming he is redshirting this year behind Nolf/Joseph and then Hall will be at 174 after this year. Good luck to Berge, except against MN.

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Nov 2 2016, 03:10 PM
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Nov 2 2016, 10:20 AM
Berge is announcing at 4pm, today.

I would take Bergeland over Sasso based on attitude and room to improve, to be honest.
My little brother has a great attitude and tons of room for improvement! In fact, he's never wrestled. Think of all the improvements that could be made! Gophers should go after him.
Did your little brother recently take 2nd at Super 32? I think you're being unnecessarily obtuse, here.

It's definitely a gut feeling with little to no objective data behind it, but in watching Sasso wrestle in the Fargo finals last year, he kinda looked like he wanted to do just enough to win. Sasso also has so much success behind him, already, and my gut says that when things get hard at the next level, he won't be hard to crack. I don't feel that way about Bergeland. I know neither of them personally, it was just a comment.

Also, We Are ^_^
After your original post I was under the impression that you actually had some knowledge of attitude issues with Sasso. Super 32's sure didn't make it seem like he was just trying to get by. Either way I'll take the "attitude" and the 14 points, you can have the potential.
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Just don't get how these guys can be getting much scholly money at all. It's an embarrassment of riches and they can't all wrestle.
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Nov 2 2016, 08:26 PM
Just don't get how these guys can be getting much scholly money at all. It's an embarrassment of riches and they can't all wrestle.
On themat.com forum someone said hall is taking nothing so they could get another top recruit.
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Nov 2 2016, 08:26 PM
Just don't get how these guys can be getting much scholly money at all. It's an embarrassment of riches and they can't all wrestle.
I know I'm probably the last person you want a response from on this, but I'll try to be level-headed. There are only 10 starting spots. At some point, they will lose guys to transfers, most likely. They already have, here and there.

The big pitch that coaches are making and expecting at the top tier of D1 teams involves the trendy "want to be national, world, and olympic champions" schtick. You hear Brands, Cael, Smith, everybody saying it. There are definitely guys on the U roster that believe in that dream and that's why there at Minnesota. I don't see that as a PSU-only thing.

With that said, PSU has had multiple Olympians around in the Cael era... Varner, Molinaro, Espinal, Gomez, & Yonemitsu. That makes it seem achievable. That's no knock on other programs. I remember watching the Terry doc on Flo and I wanna say it was Alger talking about something along the lines of "you're hanging around Olympic Champions, partying with World Medalists... It was like a right of passage" about the Gable era. I think that's sort of what's happening there, and how they have guys buy in, even at a lesser price.

In addition, you have guys that are doing camps and such, which happens everywhere. Not only that, but look how a David Taylor marketed himself. I would guess that DT is a mentor to some, there, and they see a potential to support themselves financially, there. So that may help, monetarily.

It's also been rumored that some of them that come to PSU come from families that have the opportunity to help pay for their college. I think I read somewhere that somebody mentioned how much money families are devoting to private clubs, training, and tournaments, nowadays. Now, I'd imagine that if parents are willing to shell out money for that, they see it as a similar opportunity to continue to support their kid's passion for the sport at the next level... Taking less money means you can also have more quality partners.

You also have guys strategically taking OTC years, redshirting at different times (or not redshirting), and I think that flexibility and planning has helped them, financially, as well.

And I realize that this will morph into a "slush fund" discussion, and it is a comical joke in today's wrestling landscape. I just figured I'd try to give a few attemptedly-level-headed reasons as to how this may be working out, legally. They could be doing something devious and wrong. I'm not in the know. But there are just a couple of reasons/ideas as to how it's working out.
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I wonder if PSU has some kind of "slush fund" that they are using to attract all these top recruits?
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Crop says Cael is devious and wrong.

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http://www.postbulletin.com/sports/high_school/wrestling/the-rich-get-richer-berge-picks-penn-state/article_b5e555cb-8d37-5e1d-b53e-28893e89601c.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share
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Just don't get how these guys can be getting much scholly money at all. It's an embarrassment of riches and they can't all wrestle.
The short answer is they don't all get scholly money. A lot of these kids are willing to take out loans in order to potentially wrestle somewhere they think is "better".
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Maybe the tuition bills get lost in the mail.
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Honestly in the age of a year round wrestling at all these national tournaments arround the country it makes sense that these parents spending all this money on wrestling in the younger years take the next step and pay for some of college to build a stronger team.
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Oh well, losing the top MN kids, it's becoming a trend; I have a feeling we're going to be losing Gable to Penn St. Why not, that's where all the best are going, even though they all won't be able to wrestle in the starting lineup.

One of the things Brady said in his article was that he liked the atmosphere, laid back, all the men loved wrestling, very relaxed, seems like Cael makes it fun. Good for him. Stings when he does talk about the gophers and that they'll eventually turn things around; he seems more optimistic than I am as I think you can't turn things around if you can't land big recruits.

The dominance of Penn St. is making me root for Iowa now, how horrible is that.
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Oh well, losing the top MN kids, it's becoming a trend; I have a feeling we're going to be losing Gable to Penn St. Why not, that's where all the best are going, even though they all won't be able to wrestle in the starting lineup.

One of the things Brady said in his article was that he liked the atmosphere, laid back, all the men loved wrestling, very relaxed, seems like Cael makes it fun. Good for him. Stings when he does talk about the gophers and that they'll eventually turn things around; he seems more optimistic than I am as I think you can't turn things around if you can't land big recruits.

The dominance of Penn St. is making me root for Iowa now, how horrible is that.
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If Brady could truly hold 149 until at least Stroker(assuming he moves to 57 at some point) graduated, then Berge would have fit in really well.

125- Lizak 3 years,Pski 3years, Petry 3 years.
133-McKee 4/5years(assume he moves up at some point) Brent Jones 6
141-Thorn 3 years(could he grow to 149?), then McKee
149-Stroker 4 years,, Marko 5 years
157-Short 2 years, Early 4 years, Brolsma 4 years(hearing great things about him)
165-Kingsley 1 year, Krone 3 years. Perhaps Early moves up at some point. Does Jeske successfully transfer?
174-Wanzek 2 years. Not much else behind. PAGING ALLAR.
184-Steveson 4 years, but assume he moves up next season. Does Webster successfully transfer? Pfarr 2 years.
197-Pfarr 1year. I think we see Steveson after Pfarr leaves. Kerkvleit(sp?) could step in perfect after a redshirt year so set for next 8 years ideally.
285- Kroells 1 year. Streifel 4 years. Come on Gable.

I feel comfortable with where the team is at 157 and below. 165 and up has more question marks. 165-184 are the big need weights IMO. Always good to land the top in state talent but never got the vibe Berge would choose MN and he wasn't at a huge need weight, once he declared 149 as his desired spot. 197 picture makes Warner expendable as well at this point, If Bobby doesn't stay at 184. Kerk will be a stud.

What does the junior class have around 165-184?
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