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Topic Started: Dec 31 2014, 07:48 PM (944,693 Views)
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Penn State admissions office offers this for a Non-PA Resident:
Tuition and Fees...................$31,346
Additional Estimated Costs....$11,926-14,926
TOTAL.................................$43,272-46,272

So the argument that we hear is that the recruits are giving up their scholly money for the privilege of paying >$172,000 for a degree and being on the PSU roster.

Current roster has #1,3,3,3,4,5,5,7,12,32,35,43,88,90 on a 9.9.
Gulibon graduates which supposedly frees up enough money for next years #6,7,10.


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Nov 2 2016, 11:23 PM


The dominance of Penn St. is making me root for Iowa now, how horrible is that.
I can see you are upset, but lets not get irrational right now!!! Iowa will always be more evil than penn state.
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Nov 3 2016, 08:00 AM
Penn State admissions office offers this for a Non-PA Resident:
Tuition and Fees...................$31,346
Additional Estimated Costs....$11,926-14,926
TOTAL.................................$43,272-46,272

So the argument that we hear is that the recruits are giving up their scholly money for the privilege of paying >$172,000 for a degree and being on the PSU roster.

Current roster has #1,3,3,3,4,5,5,7,12,32,35,43,88,90 on a 9.9.
Gulibon graduates which supposedly frees up enough money for next years #6,7,10.


I mean, Gulibon was ranked #1 to start last season... He might be getting a substantial scholly. :D

Make sure it's not storming, before you walk outside with that tinfoil hat on.
Edited by CropDuster, Nov 3 2016, 10:30 AM.
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Nov 3 2016, 08:00 AM
Penn State admissions office offers this for a Non-PA Resident:
Tuition and Fees...................$31,346
Additional Estimated Costs....$11,926-14,926
TOTAL.................................$43,272-46,272

So the argument that we hear is that the recruits are giving up their scholly money for the privilege of paying >$172,000 for a degree and being on the PSU roster.

Current roster has #1,3,3,3,4,5,5,7,12,32,35,43,88,90 on a 9.9.
Gulibon graduates which supposedly frees up enough money for next years #6,7,10.


I thought the point of spending all this money during they youth and high school years was supposed to pay off with an athletic scholarship. Now they tell me these kids want to pay for their education also???
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Nov 3 2016, 10:29 AM
I mean, Gulibon was ranked #1 to start last season... He might be getting a substantial scholly. :D

Gulibon 58-35, dnp, AA 5th, dnp

I hope all of their "substantial scholly" guys do as well.
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Flying-Tiger - "Do you walk around with a tin foil hat on or something?"

TBar1977 - "You sound like a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist."

CropDuster - "Make sure it's not storming, before you walk outside with that tinfoil hat on."

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Nov 2 2016, 08:26 PM
Just don't get how these guys can be getting much scholly money at all. It's an embarrassment of riches and they can't all wrestle.
The short answer is they don't all get scholly money. A lot of these kids are willing to take out loans in order to potentially wrestle somewhere they think is "better".
Or maybe an PSU affiliate is providing special loan financing? Surely the NCAA would cry foul and it would be a huge scandal so that can't be the case.
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Nov 2 2016, 08:26 PM
Just don't get how these guys can be getting much scholly money at all. It's an embarrassment of riches and they can't all wrestle.
The short answer is they don't all get scholly money. A lot of these kids are willing to take out loans in order to potentially wrestle somewhere they think is "better".
Or maybe an PSU affiliate is providing special loan financing? Surely the NCAA would cry foul and it would be a huge scandal so that can't be the case.
for some athletes, Considering the lengths some of these parents take in high school, I don't believe they necessarily need to take out student loans.
Edited by mndak, Nov 3 2016, 11:26 AM.
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Let's beat them then make them pay off their own student loans
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Nov 3 2016, 10:59 AM
Flying-Tiger - "Do you walk around with a tin foil hat on or something?"

TBar1977 - "You sound like a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist."

CropDuster - "Make sure it's not storming, before you walk outside with that tinfoil hat on."

If that's not the first thing that comes to your mind when you see jammen's name on a thread, you're reading it wrong.
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Nov 2 2016, 04:38 PM
This is just sad for College wrestling. The parity is pathetic.

There has never been parity in wrestling. Since 1989 only five teams have won titles. Name another sport that can go over 25 years with only 5 different champs.
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So are the Gophers in on any other recruits this year?

Rumor say's Warner to the Buckeyes.

If Berge is going to wrestle 149, it's debatable Stroker is better.
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Kids want to stretch their wings and travel away from home.
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I am a die hard Gopher fan, the landscape of college wrestling has changed a lot the last 5 years. Kids want to wrestle a more wide open style, they don't want a grind it out win 2-1 style. Sanderson is thriving at recruiting because of it. Iowa will be tough this year, but they won't touch Penn State.
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PSU's incoming freshmen class this year had two blue chippers and I don't believe anybody ranked nationally. Just an FYI
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Alex Crowe to U of M.
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Tyler Shilson to the Badgers. Note worthy.

That's great about Crowe, hopefully we can get the trifecta with the Sabers!!
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This is just sad for College wrestling. The parity is pathetic.

There has never been parity in wrestling. Since 1989 only five teams have won titles. Name another sport that can go over 25 years with only 5 different champs.
While this is true, no one will be able to compete with Penn St. for a very, very long time. Sometimes I think being so close to a program can hurt the chances of high recruits committing. I have a gut feeling Gable will be going to Penn St. he loves his bro and I'm sure wishes to be by him, but he always said him and RBY are a package deal and he already knows the ins and outs of the gophers, he's going to go to the best of the best with Hall and he will want the challenge. I'm fully prepared for him not to be a gopher.

Congrats on Crowe!

As much as I love getting more MN guys, I wish we had a few more out of state. I'm sure it's super hard to recruit right now for Eggum. It's not his fault.
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As much as some of these kids might be a diamond in the rough like Crowe, you don't win national titles with only those types. Let's look at the first gophers title team

Vega-National recruit from Indiana
133-Lawrence-4 timer from Idaho
141-erikson-4 timer from valley
149-Lawrence 4 timer from Idaho, wasn't he unbeaten?
157- Becker 3 timer blue chip
165- Pike high school national champ when it meant something
174-Volkmann diamond in the rough
184- Hahn one of the best high school wrestler ever, #1 nationally
197- Elzen physical freak, 2 time state champ, wasn't he a national high school champion as well?
Hawt-Lowney Olympic bronze before his freshmen season.

5 Minnesota, 5 from around the nation both from east and west. We need more out state national top 5 guys.
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As much as some of these kids might be a diamond in the rough like Crowe, you don't win national titles with only those types. Let's look at the first gophers title team

Vega-National recruit from Indiana
133-Lawrence-4 timer from Idaho
141-erikson-4 timer from valley
149-Lawrence 4 timer from Idaho, wasn't he unbeaten?
157- Becker 3 timer blue chip
165- Pike high school national champ when it meant something
174-Volkmann diamond in the rough
184- Hahn one of the best high school wrestler ever, #1 nationally
197- Elzen physical freak, 2 time state champ, wasn't he a national high school champion as well?
Hawt-Lowney Olympic bronze before his freshmen season.

5 Minnesota, 5 from around the nation both from east and west. We need more out state national top 5 guys.
I believe Vega was a 2x champ---and I believe a multi-AA in GR and maybe a FS AA too. (I got worked by him more than once in GR, he was nails.)

Pike was a 3xchamp---2 of them in the 2 class system--MUCH harder than the 3 class system.
He was also a GR National Champ, beating Cagle, a fantastic Greco guy.

Volkman was a 3xstate champ, he was a hidden gem, kind of a badass small town guy.

Lawrence was 133-0, Lowney 155-5 (per Wrestling USA mag)

Ramsey is 100% right. I've hammered this home before, our recruiting has become very MN-centric with a sprinkling of other Midwest states. The worst thing is we aren't even getting the best MN guys anymore (Hall, Berge, Benick, etc.)

I appreciate the commits we have coming in, but if we are going to compete for NCAA championships, we need bigger, better, top level recruits or these guys would have to exponentially improve from their current level of talent.. PSU will continue to dominate for as long as Cael decides to stay. In the 70's and 80's and about half of the 90's, IA was home and the center of the wrestling world due to the "Cult of Gable"...there is now a "Cult of Cael". There is a whole generation of wrestlers (wrestlers who are probably mid-to-late 20's now all the way down to the under 10 crowd) that likes his style, want to wrestle for him and consider him the best coach/wrestler of all time...(not saying EVERY kid thinks this--some want to wrestle for Smith, Ryan, Koll, etc.)....but if you are from a state like MN now, Cael is going to pick you off if you have a chance to burnish his "dream team" roster.

Unfortunately, many kids will not get near as many chances to wrestle varsity, guys like Manville (my guess) will maybe get 1 year of varsity IF that as they sit behind guys. I also think Berge will struggle to cut to 149 in two years, probably should be a 157 lber, but that will make it so he can't start as a RSFR.

Benick might have been a 3 year starter at MN assuming he stayed at 197 and kept improving, Hall--definitely a 4 year starter (especially at 174 after a RS), and Berge would be a definitive 4 year starter at 157 (to start--2 years), then 165 as a Jr./Sr. after Early is gone...

They didn't need to leave to go to PSU and Berge wouldn't need to cut near as much his first year or so. Hall's decision is not much different then him going to AV in middle/HS--even after wrestling as a 7th grader in KY--chasing the best team around to jump on their bandwagon. I hear he is a good kid, but his comment about being "the face of MN wrestling" was arrogant or just plain stupid for a 18 or 19 year old kid who just chose a rival of MN wrestling and he has proven to be a bandwagon hopper. One of the best wrestlers I've ever seen, and I'm confident he'll be a 4x AA with decent health and probably a 3-4xNC. Oh well, no need to criticize, just frustrated at the loss of talent we are losing and as much as I appreciate Jones, Jacob B., and Crowe coming in this next year, I am hoping Lloyd and Gable join McKee in the Jr. class.

Would be even better if someone like Allar changed his mind. We could use some talent in the 165-174 range and I don't know if Lloyd gets that big and I think Jeske might be better suited for Auggie (same w/Webster).



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If Berge is going to wrestle 149, it's debatable Stroker is better.
No it's not.
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If Berge is going to wrestle 149, it's debatable Stroker is better.
No it's not.
^Multiple guys currently beat Berge. Obviously that could change as he develops more, but the MN roster has more talent than given credit for.
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Some good conversation about current/past recruits. From my experiences coaching with the Storm team and traveling to different national tournaments these kids, when traveling, are getting exposed to different wrestlers/coaches/styles of wrestling. The more they travel the more opportunities seem to be opening up for the higher level kids across the country.
I have said this before in certain recruiting threads but the Gophers need to step up the GWC (Gopher Wrestling Club) and Minnesota Storm Freestyle senior circuit. They have some athletes competing but not to the level of CKWC (Michigan), NLWC (Penn State), Ohio State, HWC (Iowa) to name a few. Currently the Minnesota Storm is not bringing in senior level guys from other colleges/countries like these other clubs are. $Money$ is obviously a big pull for these clubs to get these top notch athletes to keep competing after college. I think the opportunities/current state of the freestyle club is why some of these top level kids are going to Penn State/Ohio State/Iowa.
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Some good conversation about current/past recruits. From my experiences coaching with the Storm team and traveling to different national tournaments these kids, when traveling, are getting exposed to different wrestlers/coaches/styles of wrestling. The more they travel the more opportunities seem to be opening up for the higher level kids across the country.
I have said this before in certain recruiting threads but the Gophers need to step up the GWC (Gopher Wrestling Club) and Minnesota Storm Freestyle senior circuit. They have some athletes competing but not to the level of CKWC (Michigan), NLWC (Penn State), Ohio State, HWC (Iowa) to name a few. Currently the Minnesota Storm is not bringing in senior level guys from other colleges/countries like these other clubs are. $Money$ is obviously a big pull for these clubs to get these top notch athletes to keep competing after college. I think the opportunities/current state of the freestyle club is why some of these top level kids are going to Penn State/Ohio State/Iowa.
so the question is how do we get the $ into the GWC to get it up to the level of CKW, NLWC, Ohio State and HWC?

How do these other clubs get funded?

Sounds like this is what needs to happen to become a more attractive option for top level recruits.
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Some good conversation about current/past recruits. From my experiences coaching with the Storm team and traveling to different national tournaments these kids, when traveling, are getting exposed to different wrestlers/coaches/styles of wrestling. The more they travel the more opportunities seem to be opening up for the higher level kids across the country.
I have said this before in certain recruiting threads but the Gophers need to step up the GWC (Gopher Wrestling Club) and Minnesota Storm Freestyle senior circuit. They have some athletes competing but not to the level of CKWC (Michigan), NLWC (Penn State), Ohio State, HWC (Iowa) to name a few. Currently the Minnesota Storm is not bringing in senior level guys from other colleges/countries like these other clubs are. $Money$ is obviously a big pull for these clubs to get these top notch athletes to keep competing after college. I think the opportunities/current state of the freestyle club is why some of these top level kids are going to Penn State/Ohio State/Iowa.
Nailed it!!!
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Some good conversation about current/past recruits. From my experiences coaching with the Storm team and traveling to different national tournaments these kids, when traveling, are getting exposed to different wrestlers/coaches/styles of wrestling. The more they travel the more opportunities seem to be opening up for the higher level kids across the country.
I have said this before in certain recruiting threads but the Gophers need to step up the GWC (Gopher Wrestling Club) and Minnesota Storm Freestyle senior circuit. They have some athletes competing but not to the level of CKWC (Michigan), NLWC (Penn State), Ohio State, HWC (Iowa) to name a few. Currently the Minnesota Storm is not bringing in senior level guys from other colleges/countries like these other clubs are. $Money$ is obviously a big pull for these clubs to get these top notch athletes to keep competing after college. I think the opportunities/current state of the freestyle club is why some of these top level kids are going to Penn State/Ohio State/Iowa.
so the question is how do we get the $ into the GWC to get it up to the level of CKW, NLWC, Ohio State and HWC?

How do these other clubs get funded?

Sounds like this is what needs to happen to become a more attractive option for top level recruits.
IMO you need a full time coach devoted to FREESTYLE wrestling with both the GWC and senior level Minnesota Storm wrestlers. Second, you need your athletes to TRAIN in Minnesota but also be represented by a Titan Mercury, Sunkist Kids or clubs like that with more money to help with funding trips/stipends. Third, help with promoting your wrestlers with sponsors, which is very hard, but it is easier now than it was five years ago. Fourth (probably most important but also HARDEST part) DONORS/BOOSTERS/REPRESENTATIVES. You need to find the right people that want to be involved with it. On a higher level USA Wrestling does a great job with this.

I'm not saying this is not a challenge, because it is takes a lot of time and effort from people but these are the things I am noticing happening around the country with the top programs.
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http://www.gophertakedownclub.com

You can find the link to donate there. I am not positive if that club also supports the GWC/Storm or not. Perhaps someone could clarify.

If a donor wanted to step forward with funds to bring in a FT GWC coach that would be huge. Paulson/Lawrence/Eggum/Becker etc could still supplement the staff but make it someone else's full time responsibility.
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Some good conversation about current/past recruits. From my experiences coaching with the Storm team and traveling to different national tournaments these kids, when traveling, are getting exposed to different wrestlers/coaches/styles of wrestling. The more they travel the more opportunities seem to be opening up for the higher level kids across the country.
I have said this before in certain recruiting threads but the Gophers need to step up the GWC (Gopher Wrestling Club) and Minnesota Storm Freestyle senior circuit. They have some athletes competing but not to the level of CKWC (Michigan), NLWC (Penn State), Ohio State, HWC (Iowa) to name a few. Currently the Minnesota Storm is not bringing in senior level guys from other colleges/countries like these other clubs are. $Money$ is obviously a big pull for these clubs to get these top notch athletes to keep competing after college. I think the opportunities/current state of the freestyle club is why some of these top level kids are going to Penn State/Ohio State/Iowa.
so the question is how do we get the $ into the GWC to get it up to the level of CKW, NLWC, Ohio State and HWC?

How do these other clubs get funded?

Sounds like this is what needs to happen to become a more attractive option for top level recruits.
IMO you need a full time coach devoted to FREESTYLE wrestling with both the GWC and senior level Minnesota Storm wrestlers. Second, you need your athletes to TRAIN in Minnesota but also be represented by a Titan Mercury, Sunkist Kids or clubs like that with more money to help with funding trips/stipends. Third, help with promoting your wrestlers with sponsors, which is very hard, but it is easier now than it was five years ago. Fourth (probably most important but also HARDEST part) DONORS/BOOSTERS/REPRESENTATIVES. You need to find the right people that want to be involved with it. On a higher level USA Wrestling does a great job with this.

I'm not saying this is not a challenge, because it is takes a lot of time and effort from people but these are the things I am noticing happening around the country with the top programs.
so then the question comes in... who is in charge of the GWC and getting something like this set up and moving in the right direction?

if it is Eggum (this might be his only year as coach) then who and what happens?

I understand how difficult it is but if the person currently in charge of it is not doing what needs to be done then how can we move forward.

Person in charge should be setting up:
a FT FS Coach
Sponsors/Promoting
Events for Donors/Boosters/Representatives

if it is not one person how do we develop or get a group that has the connections to get this up and running in the right direction?

how much would it cost to get a High Level FT FS Coach? $100,000 year or more/less?
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