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Topic Started: Dec 31 2014, 07:48 PM (944,692 Views)
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Lawrence and Paulson are doing great things with Pinnacle. That is a class club that trains the elite. Maybe bring them a bit closer into the fold with the Gophers activities. Maybe they already are, but just making a point that the options are not bare in the Twin Cities.
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Some good conversation about current/past recruits. From my experiences coaching with the Storm team and traveling to different national tournaments these kids, when traveling, are getting exposed to different wrestlers/coaches/styles of wrestling. The more they travel the more opportunities seem to be opening up for the higher level kids across the country.
I have said this before in certain recruiting threads but the Gophers need to step up the GWC (Gopher Wrestling Club) and Minnesota Storm Freestyle senior circuit. They have some athletes competing but not to the level of CKWC (Michigan), NLWC (Penn State), Ohio State, HWC (Iowa) to name a few. Currently the Minnesota Storm is not bringing in senior level guys from other colleges/countries like these other clubs are. $Money$ is obviously a big pull for these clubs to get these top notch athletes to keep competing after college. I think the opportunities/current state of the freestyle club is why some of these top level kids are going to Penn State/Ohio State/Iowa.
so the question is how do we get the $ into the GWC to get it up to the level of CKW, NLWC, Ohio State and HWC?

How do these other clubs get funded?

Sounds like this is what needs to happen to become a more attractive option for top level recruits.
IMO you need a full time coach devoted to FREESTYLE wrestling with both the GWC and senior level Minnesota Storm wrestlers. Second, you need your athletes to TRAIN in Minnesota but also be represented by a Titan Mercury, Sunkist Kids or clubs like that with more money to help with funding trips/stipends. Third, help with promoting your wrestlers with sponsors, which is very hard, but it is easier now than it was five years ago. Fourth (probably most important but also HARDEST part) DONORS/BOOSTERS/REPRESENTATIVES. You need to find the right people that want to be involved with it. On a higher level USA Wrestling does a great job with this.

I'm not saying this is not a challenge, because it is takes a lot of time and effort from people but these are the things I am noticing happening around the country with the top programs.
so then the question comes in... who is in charge of the GWC and getting something like this set up and moving in the right direction?

if it is Eggum (this might be his only year as coach) then who and what happens?

I understand how difficult it is but if the person currently in charge of it is not doing what needs to be done then how can we move forward.

Person in charge should be setting up:
a FT FS Coach
Sponsors/Promoting
Events for Donors/Boosters/Representatives

if it is not one person how do we develop or get a group that has the connections to get this up and running in the right direction?

how much would it cost to get a High Level FT FS Coach? $100,000 year or more/less?
I think $100,000 is high. I would think $55-65k a year is closer to the number.

A lot of programs have Director of Operations positions. These positions handle fundraising, scheduling, travel, alumni events etc..... (to answer that question)

Right now I think a freestyle coach would need to come from the outside. If you look around Minnesota a lot of the "top" MN coaches have there hands in something else which is great but you need someone 100% devoted to the development of training college/senior level athletes to compete for world and Olympic titles.

Example - Lehigh Valley Athletic Club. Pretty impressive how a smaller school can hold a pretty good club of athletes. Former Blair coach Jeff Buxton is there Head Coach.
Example - Pennsylvania RTC. Brandon Slay was hired as president of operations and he alone is bringing in some of the top young talent that will be competing a few years out of college and have been through a olympic cycle and 2020 will be a lot of those athletes second training cycle. Slay has ties to PENN but he came back from the outside and seems to be doing a really good job with the RTC and they are working with the Beat the Streets initiative.
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IMO you need a full time coach devoted to FREESTYLE wrestling with both the GWC and senior level Minnesota Storm wrestlers. Second, you need your athletes to TRAIN in Minnesota but also be represented by a Titan Mercury, Sunkist Kids or clubs like that with more money to help with funding trips/stipends. Third, help with promoting your wrestlers with sponsors, which is very hard, but it is easier now than it was five years ago. Fourth (probably most important but also HARDEST part) DONORS/BOOSTERS/REPRESENTATIVES. You need to find the right people that want to be involved with it. On a higher level USA Wrestling does a great job with this.

I'm not saying this is not a challenge, because it is takes a lot of time and effort from people but these are the things I am noticing happening around the country with the top programs.
so then the question comes in... who is in charge of the GWC and getting something like this set up and moving in the right direction?

if it is Eggum (this might be his only year as coach) then who and what happens?

I understand how difficult it is but if the person currently in charge of it is not doing what needs to be done then how can we move forward.

Person in charge should be setting up:
a FT FS Coach
Sponsors/Promoting
Events for Donors/Boosters/Representatives

if it is not one person how do we develop or get a group that has the connections to get this up and running in the right direction?

how much would it cost to get a High Level FT FS Coach? $100,000 year or more/less?
I think $100,000 is high. I would think $55-65k a year is closer to the number.

A lot of programs have Director of Operations positions. These positions handle fundraising, scheduling, travel, alumni events etc..... (to answer that question)

Right now I think a freestyle coach would need to come from the outside. If you look around Minnesota a lot of the "top" MN coaches have there hands in something else which is great but you need someone 100% devoted to the development of training college/senior level athletes to compete for world and Olympic titles.

Example - Lehigh Valley Athletic Club. Pretty impressive how a smaller school can hold a pretty good club of athletes. Former Blair coach Jeff Buxton is there Head Coach.
Example - Pennsylvania RTC. Brandon Slay was hired as president of operations and he alone is bringing in some of the top young talent that will be competing a few years out of college and have been through a olympic cycle and 2020 will be a lot of those athletes second training cycle. Slay has ties to PENN but he came back from the outside and seems to be doing a really good job with the RTC and they are working with the Beat the Streets initiative.
Ok so the obvious question is how do we get things moving in the right direction... in this forum we complain that the coaches are not getting the top recruits and this and that but as a Fan knowing there is more we can do gives me a push to find out a way to help develop the GWC to become one of the best in the nation and compete with those other clubs.

who is the Director of Operations for the GWC?

if this is the website then we have a lot of work to do... http://www.mnwrestlingclub.org/

Compare it to the others
http://www.cliffkeenwrestlingclub.com/ CKWC
http://www.nittanylionwrestlingclub.com/ NLWC
http://www.hawkeyewrestlingclub.com/ HWC

3/4 of the links dont work on our website... no where near the same level of the others.

if we want to sit here and complain about the coaches not recruiting I say we do what we can in order to attract the Top Level Recruits.

now we need to know where to start.
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Nov 4 2016, 11:27 AM
Lawrence and Paulson are doing great things with Pinnacle. That is a class club that trains the elite. Maybe bring them a bit closer into the fold with the Gophers activities. Maybe they already are, but just making a point that the options are not bare in the Twin Cities.
All you have to do is look at Minnesota's Junior and Schoolboy team, they have made some big steps in the last few years. Right around the time pinnacle came around. Coincidence?
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Nov 4 2016, 08:03 AM
Some good conversation about current/past recruits. From my experiences coaching with the Storm team and traveling to different national tournaments these kids, when traveling, are getting exposed to different wrestlers/coaches/styles of wrestling. The more they travel the more opportunities seem to be opening up for the higher level kids across the country.
I have said this before in certain recruiting threads but the Gophers need to step up the GWC (Gopher Wrestling Club) and Minnesota Storm Freestyle senior circuit. They have some athletes competing but not to the level of CKWC (Michigan), NLWC (Penn State), Ohio State, HWC (Iowa) to name a few. Currently the Minnesota Storm is not bringing in senior level guys from other colleges/countries like these other clubs are. $Money$ is obviously a big pull for these clubs to get these top notch athletes to keep competing after college. I think the opportunities/current state of the freestyle club is why some of these top level kids are going to Penn State/Ohio State/Iowa.
so the question is how do we get the $ into the GWC to get it up to the level of CKW, NLWC, Ohio State and HWC?

How do these other clubs get funded?

Sounds like this is what needs to happen to become a more attractive option for top level recruits.
IMO you need a full time coach devoted to FREESTYLE wrestling with both the GWC and senior level Minnesota Storm wrestlers. Second, you need your athletes to TRAIN in Minnesota but also be represented by a Titan Mercury, Sunkist Kids or clubs like that with more money to help with funding trips/stipends. Third, help with promoting your wrestlers with sponsors, which is very hard, but it is easier now than it was five years ago. Fourth (probably most important but also HARDEST part) DONORS/BOOSTERS/REPRESENTATIVES. You need to find the right people that want to be involved with it. On a higher level USA Wrestling does a great job with this.

I'm not saying this is not a challenge, because it is takes a lot of time and effort from people but these are the things I am noticing happening around the country with the top programs.
No- we need them to TRAIN in Minnesota, but fund the Mn Storm/ GWC to a much higher degree......Mn Storm has put more Greco athletes on the Senior National team and sent more Greco olympians than any other club, until very recently...all on the smallest budget.....that needs to change..and as far as USA Wrestling, helping at the higher level ? Not sure where that notion came from, but I don't believe it to be true. The stipend for being on National team (top 3) is very small....That also needs to change...
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http://www.mtcstorm.com

Or is this the current website? lots of questions haha
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All respect to Greco and I love MN's presence in the Greco community, but most blue chip athletes are interested in Freestyle after their collegiate career. I fully support endorsing Greco still, but Freestyle is where we need a stronger presence.
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Robb, Molitor and Lloyd all appear to be visiting SDSU.
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Is Webster still coming to the Gophers? If so, what is the earliest date we could see him? Huge talent and will only get better.
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Lesnar Wrestling Club - started with a hefty donation from Brock.
Lesnar actually crossed my mind a few months back. I was thinking to myself, they need to use Lensar for recruiting purposes. Not that he has time for that but anything to help the program from Brock would be huge.
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Lesnar Wrestling Club - started with a hefty donation from Brock.
Lesnar actually crossed my mind a few months back. I was thinking to myself, they need to use Lensar for recruiting purposes. Not that he has time for that but anything to help the program from Brock would be huge.
It seems that now Brandon is the head coach he is a lot more active on social media. He posted a picture backstage with Brock a few weeks ago at Monday Night Raw when it was in town. That stuff can't hurt.
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Lesnar Wrestling Club - started with a hefty donation from Brock.
Lesnar actually crossed my mind a few months back. I was thinking to myself, they need to use Lensar for recruiting purposes. Not that he has time for that but anything to help the program from Brock would be huge.
It seems that now Brandon is the head coach he is a lot more active on social media. He posted a picture backstage with Brock a few weeks ago at Monday Night Raw when it was in town. That stuff can't hurt.
Brock Lesnar doesn't give a #&$* about your kids... Ask Heath Slater.
https://youtu.be/d4TNTuFpCkk?t=67
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Lesnar Wrestling Club - started with a hefty donation from Brock.
Lesnar actually crossed my mind a few months back. I was thinking to myself, they need to use Lensar for recruiting purposes. Not that he has time for that but anything to help the program from Brock would be huge.
It seems that now Brandon is the head coach he is a lot more active on social media. He posted a picture backstage with Brock a few weeks ago at Monday Night Raw when it was in town. That stuff can't hurt.
Brock Lesnar doesn't give a #&$* about your kids... Ask Heath Slater.
https://youtu.be/d4TNTuFpCkk?t=67
Lol!

Only cause I came across this earlier...

Penn State don't give a @#$% about any kids!

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/penn-state-fined-record-2-4-million-jerry-sandusky-case-n677641
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All respect to Greco and I love MN's presence in the Greco community, but most blue chip athletes are interested in Freestyle after their collegiate career. I fully support endorsing Greco still, but Freestyle is where we need a stronger presence.
Yes- that always seems to be the case- As far as Freestyle - I understand that's what the majority of college folkstyle wrestlers are going to compete in. So I agree that in order to recruit wrestlers to the Mn Gopher program, it would be very beneficial to have a strong program.
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http://www.mtcstorm.com

Or is this the current website? lots of questions haha
obviously in need of some updating.... :$
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Any chance ISU's flat performance gets Allar's wheels turning? Still time to come home.
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Any chance ISU's flat performance gets Allar's wheels turning? Still time to come home.
I thought Iowa State was supposed to be good this year?
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Any chance ISU's flat performance gets Allar's wheels turning? Still time to come home.
Allar just changed his committment to SDSU! :D
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Robb, Molitor and Lloyd all appear to be visiting SDSU.
It wouldn't surprise me if they land a couple of them. Great staff and sounds like it has great atmosphere for duals
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Robb, Molitor and Lloyd all appear to be visiting SDSU.
It wouldn't surprise me if they land a couple of them. Great staff and sounds like it has great atmosphere for duals
Very true, and they have to have scholarship money around with Sykora, Cefolo, and
Sanders bailing on them last year.
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Robb, Molitor and Lloyd all appear to be visiting SDSU.
It wouldn't surprise me if they land a couple of them. Great staff and sounds like it has great atmosphere for duals
Very true, and they have to have scholarship money around with Sykora, Cefolo, and
Sanders bailing on them last year.
Where did Sanders go?
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Sanders is on Mankatos roster
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Robb, Molitor and Lloyd all appear to be visiting SDSU.
It wouldn't surprise me if they land a couple of them. Great staff and sounds like it has great atmosphere for duals
Very true, and they have to have scholarship money around with Sykora, Cefolo, and
Sanders bailing on them last year.
True. But I don't think they left on there own terms.
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Robb, Molitor and Lloyd all appear to be visiting SDSU.
It wouldn't surprise me if they land a couple of them. Great staff and sounds like it has great atmosphere for duals
Very true, and they have to have scholarship money around with Sykora, Cefolo, and
Sanders bailing on them last year.
True. But I don't think they left on there own terms.
Sykora did. Can't speak for the others.
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Warner announce on Wednesday at 4pm.
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Lawrence and Paulson are doing great things with Pinnacle. That is a class club that trains the elite. Maybe bring them a bit closer into the fold with the Gophers activities. Maybe they already are, but just making a point that the options are not bare in the Twin Cities.
All you have to do is look at Minnesota's Junior and Schoolboy team, they have made some big steps in the last few years. Right around the time pinnacle came around. Coincidence?
Are you saying the Cadet team are a bunch of slouches?
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Warner announce on Wednesday at 4pm.
Warner, Robb, Lloyd..

Who is on the short list for these grapplers..

Go Gophers!
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Robb I would book to SDSU

Warner I have heard tOSU MN and IA in play still also visited Purdue and ASU I think.

Lloyd I only know he has visited SDSU. Unsure beyond that
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Based on performance this past week/weekend, if you had to pick between SDSU and U of M, which one would you pick. It doesn't do the U of M any favors when they don't have their guys ready for tourneys.
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Anybody know Benick's intentions? Any plans to wrestle elsewhere? I think his stock has fallen but I am sure teams would still be interested.
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