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Looking at MN's eligibility breakdown and taking a wait and see approach on some new faces, it looks like our big areas of recruiting focus are the 165-174, 285 area. Our roster can't hurt from an influx of talent anywhere. Looking at the top 50 Junior list, these are the guys I am excited about.

125- 3 yrs of Lizak assuming he can hold the weight. P McKee HS JR
Targets- #33 Cashman, #42 Brody Teske

133- 3yrs of McKee(move to 141), Brent Jones HS SR.
Targets-Nobody

141-3yrs of Thorn, 2 years of McKee after that
Targets- #38 Alex Thomsen

149- 2 yrs Stroker(move to 157), Marko 5 years
Targets- #8 Sammy Sasso, #40 Alex Lloyd

157-2 yrs of Short, 1or 2 yr of Early(puts muscle on his frame)
Targets-#3 David Carr(Assume Rocky Jordan and Carr are both on tOSU's list room for both?) 6 152 pounders in top 30.

165-1 yr Kingsley, 3 yrs Krone, 2 or 3yrs Early.
Targets-#7 Shane Griffith, #20 Trent Hidlay, #30Aaron Brooks

174- 2yrs of Wanzek
Targets-#17 Jack Jessen only 170 in top 50. Huge weight of need after missing on Sebestian, Lujan, Breske and Hall. Need a 174 in this class as I don't see a viable starter in roster. Don't know a thing about Jessen.

184- 4 yrs of Bobby. His frame says 184 to me.

197- 1 yr of Pfarr, 3 yr of Balow, Kirkvlet HS SO(hopefully can hold the weight)
Targets- #19 Brandon Whitman

285- 1 yr of Kroells, 4 yr Streifel
Target- #1 GABLE STEVESON
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Lawrence and Paulson are doing great things with Pinnacle. That is a class club that trains the elite. Maybe bring them a bit closer into the fold with the Gophers activities. Maybe they already are, but just making a point that the options are not bare in the Twin Cities.
All you have to do is look at Minnesota's Junior and Schoolboy team, they have made some big steps in the last few years. Right around the time pinnacle came around. Coincidence?
Are you saying the Cadet team are a bunch of slouches?
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Nov 8 2016, 12:11 PM
125- 3 yrs of Lizak assuming he can hold the weight. P McKee HS JR
Targets- #33 Cashman, #42 Brody Teske

133- 3yrs of McKee(move to 141), Brent Jones HS SR.
Targets-Nobody

141-3yrs of Thorn, 2 years of McKee after that
Targets- #38 Alex Thomsen

149- 2 yrs Stroker(move to 157), Marko 5 years
Targets- #8 Sammy Sasso, #40 Alex Lloyd

157-2 yrs of Short, 1or 2 yr of Early(puts muscle on his frame)
Targets-#3 David Carr(Assume Rocky Jordan and Carr are both on tOSU's list room for both?) 6 152 pounders in top 30.

165-1 yr Kingsley, 3 yrs Krone, 2 or 3yrs Early.
Targets-#7 Shane Griffith, #20 Trent Hidlay, #30Aaron Brooks

174- 2yrs of Wanzek
Targets-#17 Jack Jessen only 170 in top 50. Huge weight of need after missing on Sebestian, Lujan, Breske and Hall. Need a 174 in this class as I don't see a viable starter in roster. Don't know a thing about Jessen.

184- 4 yrs of Bobby. His frame says 184 to me.

197- 1 yr of Pfarr, 3 yr of Balow, Kirkvlet HS SO(hopefully can hold the weight)
Targets- #19 Brandon Whitman

285- 1 yr of Kroells, 4 yr Streifel
Target- #1 GABLE STEVESON
165-Krone is not a AA candidate and not a legit D1 starter...he filled in last year, but he's not probably gonna get to the level we need.

174-HUGE hole due to so many misses in recruiting.
184-No way Steveson stays down after this year. Another huge weight for need.
197-IF Bobby could stay down, then 197 would be a HUGE hole after this year. Kirkvlet is not gonna be in college till the fall of 2019 and not a starter till fall 2020.

Hwt--Streifel is pretty good. We need Gable.
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Nov 4 2016, 05:27 PM
Robb, Molitor and Lloyd all appear to be visiting SDSU.
It wouldn't surprise me if they land a couple of them. Great staff and sounds like it has great atmosphere for duals
Thats one.....Congrats to Rylee Molitor
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Not a chance in hell we get Carr
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Not suggesting we will, but I would still pick up the phone and call him.
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keep recruiting, currently #16 in the coaches poll!!!
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Kick 'em when they're up. Kick 'em when they're down.

I'm just glad they have a season with the scandal that broke.
Edited by headshuck, Nov 9 2016, 02:30 PM.
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Warner chose Iowa
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Nov 9 2016, 01:55 PM
Kick 'em when they're up. Kick 'em when they're down.

I'm just glad they have a season with the scandal that broke.
They will not return to a national power until the coaching staff is permanent. Good luck landing recruits while the future is still very unknown.

Edited by mndak, Nov 9 2016, 04:43 PM.
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If I said 9 of 10 people know this already would you stop preaching?
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Nov 9 2016, 04:54 PM
If I said 9 of 10 people know this already would you stop preaching?
It's relevant with the past few big commitments that were targets for the gophers. Without the events of the past few months, it is likely they could have landed one or two of them.
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Yes, again most of us know this.
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Nov 9 2016, 06:24 PM
Yes, again most of us know this.
It pisses me off that a few athletes ruined the reputation of the wrestling program. These recruits going elsewhere really sets back the rebuilding process.
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Nov 9 2016, 06:37 PM
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Nov 9 2016, 06:24 PM
Yes, again most of us know this.
It pisses me off that a few athletes ruined the reputation of the wrestling program. These recruits going elsewhere really sets back the rebuilding process.
We knew this year was going to be bad fresh off the scandal and no concrete coach to land any recruit; however, I think if the team performs above expectations and we have a good showing at NCAA, individuals will start to take notice again and Eggum will be named head coach. Getting the new training facility will be a plus as well.

BUT, and this is a big but, our young guys have to perform at expectations or a little above them; and Short and Wanzek have to do their part as well.

I think it's a 50/50 chance we land Gable IF Bobby has a decent season. If Bobby's ambitions fall flat, Gable will be going to Penn St. or Ohio St.

The truth is we need talent from different states in the room. If we are not landing the top guys, we need to look a little farther down the list, look to see who has the most potential, and try and get them here.
Edited by DMC, Nov 9 2016, 07:21 PM.
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Nov 9 2016, 06:24 PM
Yes, again most of us know this.
Dude, step back a bit. You DO NOT want to see a pissed off MNDak! This is a happy MNDak...imagine a pissed off mndak?!?

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Nov 9 2016, 07:18 PM
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Nov 9 2016, 06:37 PM
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Nov 9 2016, 06:24 PM
Yes, again most of us know this.
It pisses me off that a few athletes ruined the reputation of the wrestling program. These recruits going elsewhere really sets back the rebuilding process.
We knew this year was going to be bad fresh off the scandal and no concrete coach to land any recruit; however, I think if the team performs above expectations and we have a good showing at NCAA, individuals will start to take notice again and Eggum will be named head coach. Getting the new training facility will be a plus as well.

BUT, and this is a big but, our young guys have to perform at expectations or a little above them; and Short and Wanzek have to do their part as well.

I think it's a 50/50 chance we land Gable IF Bobby has a decent season. If Bobby's ambitions fall flat, Gable will be going to Penn St. or Ohio St.

The truth is we need talent from different states in the room. If we are not landing the top guys, we need to look a little farther down the list, look to see who has the most potential, and try and get them here.
Well said. I understand the current recruiting struggles due to the scandal and not having a great degree of success. I'm sure it's been asked, but can anyone pinpoint what the cause of the recruiting issues were 2-4 years ago? Did the coaching staff just completely drop the ball? Are they just not very good salesman and don't know how to pitch the program/convince kids it's an awesome choice? Or did they just flat get incredibly unlucky time and time again?
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we had a lot of young starters(Ness class and the year prior) and it is hard now days to convince a top recruit to come to your program and "only" be a two or three year starter. That is the major reason to our lack of depth at some weights IMO.

Another reason is we have had realistic shots of landing big time recruits, but their commitments have drug out. By the time they decide they are out on the Gophers, other options have committed elsewhere.

Lastly some big recruits we have brought in haven't translated to the college level as quickly as we would have hoped.

This year was basically a dead recruiting year. We got a couple guys familiar to the program. All harder workers and talented but not elite elite talent. Although I do think jones is close. We are looking at a three year rebuild IMO to start turning the corner. This Junior and Sophomore class will be big parts of that. No surprise to me to see commitments from both classes already. College recruiting is changing and kids are committing earlier.
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Also I don't think you can not acknowledge the transition of SDSU and NDSU to D1 as well as SCSU's rise in D2. A lot of that talent would have typically landed at MN when they were the only "local" D1 option.
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Nov 9 2016, 09:08 PM
we had a lot of young starters(Ness class and the year prior) and it is hard now days to convince a top recruit to come to your program and "only" be a two or three year starter. That is the major reason to our lack of depth at some weights IMO.

Another reason is we have had realistic shots of landing big time recruits, but their commitments have drug out. By the time they decide they are out on the Gophers, other options have committed elsewhere.

Lastly some big recruits we have brought in haven't translated to the college level as quickly as we would have hoped.

This year was basically a dead recruiting year. We got a couple guys familiar to the program. All harder workers and talented but not elite elite talent. Although I do think jones is close. We are looking at a three year rebuild IMO to start turning the corner. This Junior and Sophomore class will be big parts of that. No surprise to me to see commitments from both classes already. College recruiting is changing and kids are committing earlier.
I agree with some of what you say, but I do not buy the we had young wrestlers so no one wanted to come. That did not stop Penn State, Iowa or Oklahoma State from restocking year in and year out. Iowa usually has 3 starter quality wrestlers for every 2 weight classes. That has not happened here for quite awhile.
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Excuses. The last good recruiting class was 5 or 6 years ago.


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we had a lot of young starters(Ness class and the year prior) and it is hard now days to convince a top recruit to come to your program and "only" be a two or three year starter. That is the major reason to our lack of depth at some weights IMO.

Another reason is we have had realistic shots of landing big time recruits, but their commitments have drug out. By the time they decide they are out on the Gophers, other options have committed elsewhere.

Lastly some big recruits we have brought in haven't translated to the college level as quickly as we would have hoped.

This year was basically a dead recruiting year. We got a couple guys familiar to the program. All harder workers and talented but not elite elite talent. Although I do think jones is close. We are looking at a three year rebuild IMO to start turning the corner. This Junior and Sophomore class will be big parts of that. No surprise to me to see commitments from both classes already. College recruiting is changing and kids are committing earlier.
I agree with some of what you say, but I do not buy the we had young wrestlers so no one wanted to come. That did not stop Penn State, Iowa or Oklahoma State from restocking year in and year out. Iowa usually has 3 starter quality wrestlers for every 2 weight classes. That has not happened here for quite awhile.
Don't want to get into a big thing over differing opinions, but just expanding a little.

All my reasonings are kind of related to one another in some way. I can't imagine a lot of scholarship dollars are flying around when a team has 9AA's but just a guess. There wasn't the same need to stock pile depth behind a freshman AA. When it came time to replace the departing studs, some guys stepped in well (Kroells and Pfarr). Other guys did not (Short, Kingsley, Wanzek). Due to lack of depth we didn't have another serviceable option to step in. The teams u mentioned have had better success with their replacements of late and have more depth. Check out Iowas projected starters next season, some names certainly jump out on a Iowa starting lineup.
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Excuses. The last good recruiting class was 5 or 6 years ago.


Recruiting classes and recruiting production are different.

At the time we had some good recruiting classes. Haven't lead to the production expected. Most recently Stroker, Early and Steveson were all top recruits. Jury is still out. Recruiting looks easy when the guys pan out. Not so simple.
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Excuses. The last good recruiting class was 5 or 6 years ago.


Recruiting classes and recruiting production are different.

At the time we had some good recruiting classes. Haven't lead to the production expected. Most recently Stroker, Early and Steveson were all top recruits. Jury is still out. Recruiting looks easy when the guys pan out. Not so simple.
I keep hearing Carl can only recruit and J could coach. But now you say the staff hasn't been able to coach up the recent recruits???

So which one is it??? Or maybe the U isn't the top choice it was 10-15 years ago. Something has to give and right now the talent is going elsewhere.
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Excuses. The last good recruiting class was 5 or 6 years ago.


Recruiting classes and recruiting production are different.

At the time we had some good recruiting classes. Haven't lead to the production expected. Most recently Stroker, Early and Steveson were all top recruits. Jury is still out. Recruiting looks easy when the guys pan out. Not so simple.
I keep hearing Carl can only recruit and J could coach. But now you say the staff hasn't been able to coach up the recent recruits???

So which one is it??? Or maybe the U isn't the top choice it was 10-15 years ago. Something has to give and right now the talent is going elsewhere.
Don't put words in my mouth. Put pizza in my mouth.

You and g187 can burn the house down. I don't need to do this merry go round again. Our opinions won't change due to the other's.
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The fact is that we need to get the right guys, not necessarily the best guys. How many out of state studs have we brought in just to have the fizzle out or transfer? Mario Mason, Ryland Gieger, Matt Koz, Alec Ortiz, Cody Markicki, Atticus Disney, the list goes on. That's why I'd rather have Bergeland than Sasso; he's not a superstar, but he's Gopher material. We've made our hay recruiting the mid-west, finding diamonds in the rough, and getting lucky with the odd top kid from somewhere else who just happens to fit the mold. Whenever we recruit someone who needs to take a plane to get here, I worry about retaining that kid.

Let's not forget: http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Rankings2008.html
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I would rather have Bergeland and Sasso. 😎
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Nov 8 2016, 09:51 PM
165-Krone is not a AA candidate and not a legit D1 starter...he filled in last year, but he's not probably gonna get to the level we need.

174-HUGE hole due to so many misses in recruiting.
184-No way Steveson stays down after this year. Another huge weight for need.
197-IF Bobby could stay down, then 197 would be a HUGE hole after this year. Kirkvlet is not gonna be in college till the fall of 2019 and not a starter till fall 2020.

Hwt--Streifel is pretty good. We need Gable.
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Some of my favorite Gophers were guys like Tyler Safratowich and Manny Rivera that AA'd by the end of their careers.

Also, I miss news releases like this:
http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/031708aaa.html

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Excuses. The last good recruiting class was 5 or 6 years ago.


Recruiting classes and recruiting production are different.

At the time we had some good recruiting classes. Haven't lead to the production expected. Most recently Stroker, Early and Steveson were all top recruits. Jury is still out. Recruiting looks easy when the guys pan out. Not so simple.
I keep hearing Carl can only recruit and J could coach. But now you say the staff hasn't been able to coach up the recent recruits???

So which one is it??? Or maybe the U isn't the top choice it was 10-15 years ago. Something has to give and right now the talent is going elsewhere.
Don't put words in my mouth. Put pizza in my mouth.

You and g187 can burn the house down. I don't need to do this merry go round again. Our opinions won't change due to the other's.
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