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Lloyd Christmas
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Nov 9 2016, 11:57 PM
The fact is that we need to get the right guys, not necessarily the best guys. How many out of state studs have we brought in just to have the fizzle out or transfer? Mario Mason, Ryland Gieger, Matt Koz, Alec Ortiz, Cody Markicki, Atticus Disney, the list goes on. That's why I'd rather have Bergeland than Sasso; he's not a superstar, but he's Gopher material. We've made our hay recruiting the mid-west, finding diamonds in the rough, and getting lucky with the odd top kid from somewhere else who just happens to fit the mold. Whenever we recruit someone who needs to take a plane to get here, I worry about retaining that kid.

Let's not forget: http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Rankings2008.html
A couple of notes, about your attachment, showing the 2008 #1 ranked Gopher recruiting class.

#2 Rutgers
#3 Central Michigan
Penn State - not even listed in the top 25.

PSU hired Cael the next year and a dynasty was born. I'm behind Eggum and co. but if the administration decides to make a change after this year, pony up some dough and land a huge name. Hire Sanderson! He claims he went to PSU for a less than 10% raise. Figure out what he was paid at ISU and double it!

I wonder if we somehow lured Cael, would some kids return home? ;)
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He went to PSU because it is and has been for 50 years the top producer of D1 talent for wrestling. He has so much to choose from right in his back yard.

Now add that wrestlers are coming there without taking scholly money because he makes it fun. His team is always having fun. He doesn't preach the smash mouth in your face style that Gable taught and has been the norm of the typical National Champ over the past 30+ years. Now it's always easier to have fun when your 10 man lineup has the top ranked guy at 7 out of the 10 weights, but there is a reason why they do have that. You cannot hide the fact that Cael has built something that other schools will not be able to compete with due to his proximity to the wrestling hotbed. No proof of this, but I have read in multiple places that there are at least 2 blue chip wrestlers at PSU not taking any scholly money and from what I understand their 149lb National Champ Retherford has an academic scholarship that pays his way.
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Nov 10 2016, 09:40 AM
TheWombat
Nov 9 2016, 11:57 PM
The fact is that we need to get the right guys, not necessarily the best guys. How many out of state studs have we brought in just to have the fizzle out or transfer? Mario Mason, Ryland Gieger, Matt Koz, Alec Ortiz, Cody Markicki, Atticus Disney, the list goes on. That's why I'd rather have Bergeland than Sasso; he's not a superstar, but he's Gopher material. We've made our hay recruiting the mid-west, finding diamonds in the rough, and getting lucky with the odd top kid from somewhere else who just happens to fit the mold. Whenever we recruit someone who needs to take a plane to get here, I worry about retaining that kid.

Let's not forget: http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Rankings2008.html
A couple of notes, about your attachment, showing the 2008 #1 ranked Gopher recruiting class.

#2 Rutgers
#3 Central Michigan
Penn State - not even listed in the top 25.

PSU hired Cael the next year and a dynasty was born. I'm behind Eggum and co. but if the administration decides to make a change after this year, pony up some dough and land a huge name. Hire Sanderson! He claims he went to PSU for a less than 10% raise. Figure out what he was paid at ISU and double it!

I wonder if we somehow lured Cael, would some kids return home? ;)
I referenced that class not because it was number one, but because it is a great example of what not to do. We went out and got the best recruiting class in the country with Dietchler, Mincey, Mason, Gieger, and Disney as top recruits. Within a few years, none of them were still with the program. We need to find the right recruits, not the best recruits.
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Nov 9 2016, 11:57 PM
The fact is that we need to get the right guys, not necessarily the best guys. How many out of state studs have we brought in just to have the fizzle out or transfer? Mario Mason, Ryland Gieger, Matt Koz, Alec Ortiz, Cody Markicki, Atticus Disney, the list goes on. That's why I'd rather have Bergeland than Sasso; he's not a superstar, but he's Gopher material. We've made our hay recruiting the mid-west, finding diamonds in the rough, and getting lucky with the odd top kid from somewhere else who just happens to fit the mold. Whenever we recruit someone who needs to take a plane to get here, I worry about retaining that kid.

Let's not forget: http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Rankings2008.html
It is a problem that we are worried about retaining kids who need a plane to get here.
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Nov 10 2016, 12:29 PM
TheWombat
Nov 9 2016, 11:57 PM
... Whenever we recruit someone who needs to take a plane to get here, I worry about retaining that kid.

Let's not forget: http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Rankings2008.html
It is a problem that we are worried about retaining kids who need a plane to get here.
I've heard almost that exact line from a half-dozen Midwestern football coaches... I don't think it's exclusively a U of MN wrestling problem.
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Nov 10 2016, 12:55 PM
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Nov 10 2016, 12:29 PM
TheWombat
Nov 9 2016, 11:57 PM
... Whenever we recruit someone who needs to take a plane to get here, I worry about retaining that kid.

Let's not forget: http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Rankings2008.html
It is a problem that we are worried about retaining kids who need a plane to get here.
I've heard almost that exact line from a half-dozen Midwestern football coaches... I don't think it's exclusively a U of MN wrestling problem.
wrestling isn't football. Iowa st, Iowa, Nebraska etc are doing just fine recruiting these days.
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http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/111016aaa.html
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So all three in state guys project similar weights or am I missing something?
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Nov 10 2016, 10:33 AM
Lloyd Christmas
Nov 10 2016, 09:40 AM
TheWombat
Nov 9 2016, 11:57 PM
The fact is that we need to get the right guys, not necessarily the best guys. How many out of state studs have we brought in just to have the fizzle out or transfer? Mario Mason, Ryland Gieger, Matt Koz, Alec Ortiz, Cody Markicki, Atticus Disney, the list goes on. That's why I'd rather have Bergeland than Sasso; he's not a superstar, but he's Gopher material. We've made our hay recruiting the mid-west, finding diamonds in the rough, and getting lucky with the odd top kid from somewhere else who just happens to fit the mold. Whenever we recruit someone who needs to take a plane to get here, I worry about retaining that kid.

Let's not forget: http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Rankings2008.html
A couple of notes, about your attachment, showing the 2008 #1 ranked Gopher recruiting class.

#2 Rutgers
#3 Central Michigan
Penn State - not even listed in the top 25.

PSU hired Cael the next year and a dynasty was born. I'm behind Eggum and co. but if the administration decides to make a change after this year, pony up some dough and land a huge name. Hire Sanderson! He claims he went to PSU for a less than 10% raise. Figure out what he was paid at ISU and double it!

I wonder if we somehow lured Cael, would some kids return home? ;)
I referenced that class not because it was number one, but because it is a great example of what not to do. We went out and got the best recruiting class in the country with Dietchler, Mincey, Mason, Gieger, and Disney as top recruits. Within a few years, none of them were still with the program. We need to find the right recruits, not the best recruits.
There is no question that particular group of top rated out of state recruits did not pan out. What about all of the top rated out of state wrestlers that did pan out such as; Eggum, Hahn, Kish, Konrad, Lawrence brothers, Lowney, Reiter, and the Schlatter brothers. Just because a few of the top rated out of state guys did not work out certainly doesn't mean we should not continue to go after them. To win a team championship you must be able to recruit some of those superstars.
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Nov 10 2016, 10:33 AM
Lloyd Christmas
Nov 10 2016, 09:40 AM
TheWombat
Nov 9 2016, 11:57 PM
The fact is that we need to get the right guys, not necessarily the best guys. How many out of state studs have we brought in just to have the fizzle out or transfer? Mario Mason, Ryland Gieger, Matt Koz, Alec Ortiz, Cody Markicki, Atticus Disney, the list goes on. That's why I'd rather have Bergeland than Sasso; he's not a superstar, but he's Gopher material. We've made our hay recruiting the mid-west, finding diamonds in the rough, and getting lucky with the odd top kid from somewhere else who just happens to fit the mold. Whenever we recruit someone who needs to take a plane to get here, I worry about retaining that kid.

Let's not forget: http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Rankings2008.html
A couple of notes, about your attachment, showing the 2008 #1 ranked Gopher recruiting class.

#2 Rutgers
#3 Central Michigan
Penn State - not even listed in the top 25.

PSU hired Cael the next year and a dynasty was born. I'm behind Eggum and co. but if the administration decides to make a change after this year, pony up some dough and land a huge name. Hire Sanderson! He claims he went to PSU for a less than 10% raise. Figure out what he was paid at ISU and double it!

I wonder if we somehow lured Cael, would some kids return home? ;)
I referenced that class not because it was number one, but because it is a great example of what not to do. We went out and got the best recruiting class in the country with Dietchler, Mincey, Mason, Gieger, and Disney as top recruits. Within a few years, none of them were still with the program. We need to find the right recruits, not the best recruits.
There is no question that particular group of top rated out of state recruits did not pan out. What about all of the top rated out of state wrestlers that did pan out such as; Eggum, Hahn, Kish, Konrad, Lawrence brothers, Lowney, Reiter, and the Schlatter brothers. Just because a few of the top rated out of state guys did not work out certainly doesn't mean we should not continue to go after them. To win a team championship you must be able to recruit some of those superstars.
Those guy's were like a decade/decades ago.
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Nov 10 2016, 10:33 AM
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Nov 10 2016, 09:40 AM
I referenced that class not because it was number one, but because it is a great example of what not to do. We went out and got the best recruiting class in the country with Dietchler, Mincey, Mason, Gieger, and Disney as top recruits. Within a few years, none of them were still with the program. We need to find the right recruits, not the best recruits.
There is no question that particular group of top rated out of state recruits did not pan out. What about all of the top rated out of state wrestlers that did pan out such as; Eggum, Hahn, Kish, Konrad, Lawrence brothers, Lowney, Reiter, and the Schlatter brothers. Just because a few of the top rated out of state guys did not work out certainly doesn't mean we should not continue to go after them. To win a team championship you must be able to recruit some of those superstars.
Those guy's were like a decade/decades ago.
Wasn't their last championship like a decade ago?
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Since 2010, Sonny Yohn, Scott Schiller and Chris Dardanes all 3x AA, Logan Storley 4x AA. Those are pretty good out of state recruits.
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Nov 10 2016, 09:54 AM
Now add that wrestlers are coming there without taking scholly money because he makes it fun.
I wonder how much fun it will be when the $210,000 tuition bill comes due?
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Everybody knows that SD,ND,IL and CO don't count as out of state.
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Nov 9 2016, 09:08 PM
we had a lot of young starters(Ness class and the year prior) and it is hard now days to convince a top recruit to come to your program and "only" be a two or three year starter. That is the major reason to our lack of depth at some weights IMO.

Another reason is we have had realistic shots of landing big time recruits, but their commitments have drug out. By the time they decide they are out on the Gophers, other options have committed elsewhere.

Lastly some big recruits we have brought in haven't translated to the college level as quickly as we would have hoped.

This year was basically a dead recruiting year. We got a couple guys familiar to the program. All harder workers and talented but not elite elite talent. Although I do think jones is close. We are looking at a three year rebuild IMO to start turning the corner. This Junior and Sophomore class will be big parts of that. No surprise to me to see commitments from both classes already. College recruiting is changing and kids are committing earlier.
I agree with some of what you say, but I do not buy the we had young wrestlers so no one wanted to come. That did not stop Penn State, Iowa or Oklahoma State from restocking year in and year out. Iowa usually has 3 starter quality wrestlers for every 2 weight classes. That has not happened here for quite awhile.
I personally know a couple kids that were recruited by JROB and his staff and the one thing each of them said was that JROB was getting long in the tooth and he came across as arrogant. I'm in know way saying that's the case, this is just what I heard from multiple kids. Kind of a "we're doing you a favor" type attitude. Maybe it's BS, I don't know. A lot of these top recruits want to win. Hard to turn down that ride to Penn St. when they are nabbing up anything ranked top 10.
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know way!!!
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Sasso and KUrt McHenry were visiting Virginia Tech this weekend.
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The real problem is that Minnesota is clearly ignoring one of the most important parts of the equation with recruiting -- the girlfriend. The speculation is that Oklahoma State is the front runner to get Fix when he makes his announcement on Wednesday. Fix and his girlfriend took their senior pictures TOGETHER and guess where she is going to school -- you guessed it -- Oklahoma State. Find out who these guys are dating and give their girlfriend the scholarship ASAP -- they'll follow:)
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The real problem is that Minnesota is clearly ignoring one of the most important parts of the equation with recruiting -- the girlfriend. The speculation is that Oklahoma State is the front runner to get Fix when he makes his announcement on Wednesday. Fix and his girlfriend took their senior pictures TOGETHER and guess where she is going to school -- you guessed it -- Oklahoma State. Find out who these guys are dating and give their girlfriend the scholarship ASAP -- they'll follow:)
I've actually thought about this lol! That's next level recruiting!
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Luke Troy of CA is reportedly no longer committed to the Hawkeyes. Was originally recruited by MN but he committed early so Idk if interest is still there.
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Need all the help we can get so hope they're calling him up!
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Robb commits to SDSU
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Robb, Molitor and Lloyd all appear to be visiting SDSU.
It wouldn't surprise me if they land a couple of them. Great staff and sounds like it has great atmosphere for duals
Thats one.....Congrats to Rylee Molitor
Thats 2, Congrats to Peyton Robb
Can they make it the trifecta???? :huh:
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Bono has the recruit train rolling at SDSU. I am a big fan of Bono and SDSU wrestling and what he has done over the past 5 years with that program is unbelievable. He is great motivator and knows how to promote his program. You will see much more Minnesota talent going west in the future if the U doesn't turn it around.
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" if the U doesn't turn it around. "

Like how, lower the academic standards and lower tuition?
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Nov 15 2016, 02:30 PM
" if the U doesn't turn it around. "

Like how, lower the academic standards and lower tuition?
Or have the product on the mat going in an upward trajectory, rather than a downward one.
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Haven't seen Allar's NLI made public yet. Still holding out hope he flips until that day. He would be a great addition.
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SDSU at pinnacle again tonight. Should almost just pitch a tent out front.
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Nov 15 2016, 10:56 PM
SDSU at pinnacle again tonight. Should almost just pitch a tent out front.
If you want the best kids in the state you go to the best club. Sounds like they are diligent about their recruiting.
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SDSU at pinnacle again tonight. Should almost just pitch a tent out front.
If you want the best kids in the state you go to the best club. Sounds like they are diligent about their recruiting.
Didn't mean for it to come off as a negative if that is how you took iT.
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