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When do we start worrying about Kerkvliet switching schools because he can't make 197. Is it next year when he wrestles 220 or his senior year when he wrestles heavyweight?
I will address this since no one else seems to want to. I think Kerkvleit redshirts one year, wrestles 2 years at 197 with Gable then bumps to HWT for his last two years.
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May 2 2017, 08:14 AM
When do we start worrying about Kerkvliet switching schools because he can't make 197. Is it next year when he wrestles 220 or his senior year when he wrestles heavyweight?
I will address this since no one else seems to want to. I think Kerkvleit redshirts one year, wrestles 2 years at 197 with Gable then bumps to HWT for his last two years.
Kerkvliet is a 210lb sophomore with a size 15 shoe. He will not be a 197lber. in college.
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Let me see here. Pick one of the other 3 schools and get a full ride and a good shot at starting or pick PENN State and ride the pine for 4 years (if you last that long) and no scolersbip money.
But get in-state tuition (I think hes from PA, right?) be on a probably 4 time NCAA Champion team and compete against national champions daily in practice.

In addition to being close to your family.
PSU has no in-state tuition break.
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Maybe the family has money. It's really okay. Money is a big deal but I would think seeing mat time would be a bigger deal. Every kid wants to be a national champ but you won't be able to siting on the bench. I'm sure Cael has answers for that. To me, Minnesota offered him a great deal. Regardless, it's his future. If he doesn't get a chance to wrestle, he'll have to live with that.
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May 2 2017, 08:14 AM
When do we start worrying about Kerkvliet switching schools because he can't make 197. Is it next year when he wrestles 220 or his senior year when he wrestles heavyweight?
I will address this since no one else seems to want to. I think Kerkvleit redshirts one year, wrestles 2 years at 197 with Gable then bumps to HWT for his last two years.
Kerkvliet is a 210lb sophomore with a size 15 shoe. He will not be a 197lber. in college.
Let's all hope that's not the case. Just what the Gophers need, 2 all world wrestlers at the only weight they can't both wrestle.

I think Kerk can make 197 though. Cox is a monster and he made the weight.
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Let me see here. Pick one of the other 3 schools and get a full ride and a good shot at starting or pick PENN State and ride the pine for 4 years (if you last that long) and no scolersbip money.
But get in-state tuition (I think hes from PA, right?) be on a probably 4 time NCAA Champion team and compete against national champions daily in practice.

In addition to being close to your family.
PSU has no in-state tuition break.
This is absolutely false. The tuition difference between in and out of state is about $14,000.
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Let me see here. Pick one of the other 3 schools and get a full ride and a good shot at starting or pick PENN State and ride the pine for 4 years (if you last that long) and no scolersbip money.
But get in-state tuition (I think hes from PA, right?) be on a probably 4 time NCAA Champion team and compete against national champions daily in practice.

In addition to being close to your family.
PSU has no in-state tuition break.
This is absolutely false. The tuition difference between in and out of state is about $14,000.
This is according to the Verkleeren's who already have their oldest son going there.
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PSU website shows about a 14,000 difference. I have to believe their website is accurate.
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May 3 2017, 10:59 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
PSU has no in-state tuition break.
This is absolutely false. The tuition difference between in and out of state is about $14,000.
This is according to the Verkleeren's who already have their oldest son going there.
You may be misunderstanding what they said, or they may be incorrect.

http://admissions.psu.edu/costs-aid/tuition/

Trust me, I have very personal experience with this. Two kids already attending, a third starts this year. First year for my oldest son was out of state, second was in state. $13K difference.
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May 3 2017, 05:47 PM
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May 3 2017, 12:51 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
This is absolutely false. The tuition difference between in and out of state is about $14,000.
This is according to the Verkleeren's who already have their oldest son going there.
You may be misunderstanding what they said, or they may be incorrect.

http://admissions.psu.edu/costs-aid/tuition/

Trust me, I have very personal experience with this. Two kids already attending, a third starts this year. First year for my oldest son was out of state, second was in state. $13K difference.
Maybe your math was just off? ;)
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psufan
May 3 2017, 02:54 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
This is according to the Verkleeren's who already have their oldest son going there.
You may be misunderstanding what they said, or they may be incorrect.

http://admissions.psu.edu/costs-aid/tuition/

Trust me, I have very personal experience with this. Two kids already attending, a third starts this year. First year for my oldest son was out of state, second was in state. $13K difference.
Maybe your math was just off? ;)
Yeah, that might be it, except for that retroactive refund check midway through my oldest's first semester sophomore year. I remember that pretty vividly.
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SpartanCoach
May 2 2017, 08:14 AM
When do we start worrying about Kerkvliet switching schools because he can't make 197. Is it next year when he wrestles 220 or his senior year when he wrestles heavyweight?
I will address this since no one else seems to want to. I think Kerkvleit redshirts one year, wrestles 2 years at 197 with Gable then bumps to HWT for his last two years.
Kerkvliet is a 210lb sophomore with a size 15 shoe. He will not be a 197lber. in college.
I had two 182 pounders with size 15 shoes. They were both that big as sophomores. One wrestled the same weight in college...
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Ok. Enough bragging about shoe sizes. You guys are disgusting.
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Why would any college wrestler go anywhere without a scholar ship? All that hard work should be validated. And secondly, why would anyone be ok sitting on the bench indefinitely. Not talking about any particular wrestler or school, but why not go where you are valued and can make an impact? It would be a lot more fun if different schools got some of the best wrestlers so we could see more top level talent in the post season. And this goes for every level D1 thru JUCO
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May 4 2017, 07:16 AM
Why would any college wrestler go anywhere without a scholar ship? All that hard work should be validated. And secondly, why would anyone be ok sitting on the bench indefinitely. Not talking about any particular wrestler or school, but why not go where you are valued and can make an impact? It would be a lot more fun if different schools got some of the best jwrestlers so we could see more top level talent in the post season. And this goes for every level D1 thru JUCO
You cannot place a value on FUN.
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I've been thinking about this a lot and the only explanation I can think of is that maybe their long term goals (as far as wrestling) supersede any NCAA aspirations. There is going to be a ton of experience in the NLWC in the coming years and maybe they feel that this path will be the best route to a world or Olympic medal? I don't know. I'm just trying to justify it in my own head. I don't get it either.
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Why would any college wrestler go anywhere without a scholar ship? All that hard work should be validated. And secondly, why would anyone be ok sitting on the bench indefinitely. Not talking about any particular wrestler or school, but why not go where you are valued and can make an impact? It would be a lot more fun if different schools got some of the best wrestlers so we could see more top level talent in the post season. And this goes for every level D1 thru JUCO
I understand the attitude of wanting to be the best, and having enough confidence in your abilities to think that you will win a spot in the lineup. I get that. I don't understand the athletes (and more so the parents) taking on massive student loan dept, when you don't have to. I don't think young people realize how much having 50K or 100K of dept is going to set them back in life.
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Why would any college wrestler go anywhere without a scholar ship? All that hard work should be validated. And secondly, why would anyone be ok sitting on the bench indefinitely. Not talking about any particular wrestler or school, but why not go where you are valued and can make an impact? It would be a lot more fun if different schools got some of the best wrestlers so we could see more top level talent in the post season. And this goes for every level D1 thru JUCO
I understand the attitude of wanting to be the best, and having enough confidence in your abilities to think that you will win a spot in the lineup. I get that. I don't understand the athletes (and more so the parents) taking on massive student loan dept, when you don't have to. I don't think young people realize how much having 50K or 100K of dept is going to set them back in life.
Couldnt Agree with this statement more, if I could go back to when I started College I would have reevaluated everything to have the least amount of student loan debt possible. I am paying for it now, without my student loan debt I would have better quality of life.
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I tell people this all the time (students and their parents). State schools a re a great value and I work shoulder to shoulder with people who paid two and three times the tuition I paid. It is crazy. Some of those schools however have marketed and promoted themselves well. It becomes accepted that they are "better" with no real evidence to support this idea.
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If I understood what college debt was, I may have tried harder in sports. Or just not went. :/
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May 4 2017, 11:24 AM
If I understood what college debt was, I may have tried harder in sports. Or just not went. :/
It's not necessarily related to sports. If most students understood the aspect of student debt, they would choose different schools. They also would do everything in their power to complete the degree within the shortest time possible, a 4 year degree should take 4 or less years. In reality it takes far too many students, especially athletes 5 or more years. Increasing their college costs by 25+% compounded by a year or two of lost professional employment, roughly equal to the amount of their student loans.
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I do agree with that, most wrestlers are on the 5-6 year plan and even with scholarships it is far more costly than going in and getting it done in 4 years....there is something to be said for the D3 attitude of finishing in 4 years, but that I suppose is cause they get no scholarships so they have zero incentive to lengthen their stay. I do wish the "redshirt" concept was abolished and everyone had 4 years. That would be much better for their debt burden. Yet everyone thinks they have the advantage sitting out a year. It works for many others get hurt or burnt out...
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Why would any college wrestler go anywhere without a scholar ship? All that hard work should be validated. And secondly, why would anyone be ok sitting on the bench indefinitely. Not talking about any particular wrestler or school, but why not go where you are valued and can make an impact? It would be a lot more fun if different schools got some of the best wrestlers so we could see more top level talent in the post season. And this goes for every level D1 thru JUCO
Many reasons, some understand a national title can open up many opportunities after college and want to be in the best position to make that possible. From A coaches perspective some colleges even at the D2 level like to stockpile talent.




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Why would any college wrestler go anywhere without a scholar ship? All that hard work should be validated. And secondly, why would anyone be ok sitting on the bench indefinitely. Not talking about any particular wrestler or school, but why not go where you are valued and can make an impact? It would be a lot more fun if different schools got some of the best wrestlers so we could see more top level talent in the post season. And this goes for every level D1 thru JUCO
Many reasons, some understand a national title can open up many opportunities after college and want to be in the best position to make that possible. From A coaches perspective some colleges even at the D2 level like to stockpile talent.




You can't be serious????
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Why would any college wrestler go anywhere without a scholar ship? All that hard work should be validated. And secondly, why would anyone be ok sitting on the bench indefinitely. Not talking about any particular wrestler or school, but why not go where you are valued and can make an impact? It would be a lot more fun if different schools got some of the best wrestlers so we could see more top level talent in the post season. And this goes for every level D1 thru JUCO
Many reasons, some understand a national title can open up many opportunities after college and want to be in the best position to make that possible. From A coaches perspective some colleges even at the D2 level like to stockpile talent.




You can't be serious????
Just giving Karen a little crap. Any successful program attracts kids who want to succeed, and they may make sacrifices to do so.

St cloud state is getting plenty of wrestlers these days, Augsburg was really stacked in the early 2000s, and Dana college, and central Oklahoma had some great talent in the mid 2000s. It is more of a testament to success than anything else.
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This thread gave me an name idea for my retirement yacht. Scholar (ship).

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You can only "stockpile" so many with roster limits of 38.
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May 9 2017, 09:30 AM
You can only "stockpile" so many with roster limits of 38.
38 is a pretty good number considering only 10 start. You could be 3.8 wrestlers deep at every weight class.
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You can only "stockpile" so many with roster limits of 38.
38 is a pretty good number considering only 10 start. You could be 3.8 wrestlers deep at every weight class.
But you can only be .9 scholarships deep at every weight.
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The .9 scholarship is REALLY sad!
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