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| rscrowe | Dec 21 2015, 09:56 AM Post #1 |
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I saw two instances this weekend at the Christmas tournament where an athlete was clearly unconscious for 5-8 seconds and was allowed to continue after recovery. To be fair, I didn't see the cause (hit to the head or choked), but I was surprised to see this. Is there an official rule, or is it simply left to the medical staff? |
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| TboneHop | Dec 21 2015, 01:35 PM Post #2 |
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I remember Ian Miller wrestling for Kent State in the dual against Ohio State last year. Miller threw a big move and ending up smacking his own head on the mat in the follow through....he was clearly out for 10 to 15 seconds. He popped back up, went into the down position and the referee ended the match. Even though Miller looked like his head was completely clear, there wasn't even a discussion...the match was over. |
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| WrestlingOfficial | Dec 21 2015, 02:09 PM Post #3 |
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If the wrestler has been declared unconscious by the referee then he can not continue that match. Now the question becomes did the wrestler lose consciousness. If you are referring to the Smith vs. Robb match I was the official on the whistle for that match and I will be honest I couldn't tell if he actually went out. HE definitely went limp for a split second but then was immediately coherent and speaking. He layed there for awhile as we talked to him but he definitely was not out for 5-8 seconds. I debated long and hard on that match while the trainer attended to him and still have over the weekend. Did he lose consciousness? I don't believe he did completely, did Robb deserve 2 reversal and 2 NF? I felt the Smith kid was unable to defend the move due to the injury and thus only gave 1 point loss of control.... It was a tough call to make and still wonder if I made the right call. Also add in the fact that right after the injury wrestling started and track had an issue again where the clock wasn't running. Of course just as I blow the whistle to get the clock figured out, Smith throws Robb for a potential TD and NF however I had already blown the whistle. So no points earned. Definitely a weird match for me. Rod Frost What other match was the wrestler knocked out. |
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| Iowan@heart | Dec 22 2015, 07:24 AM Post #4 |
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I guess technically, if a wrestler is knocked unconscious, he can never continue the match... at least until he regains consciousness. |
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| rscrowe | Dec 22 2015, 01:21 PM Post #5 |
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I had the opportunity to watch the replay video via TrackCast and you were right there to make the call. I saw that it was not a "knock-out" via head hit, but a restriction of blood to the brain which can very rapidly cause loss of consciousness, but doesn't otherwise risk further injury to the brain. I also noted in the video that Smith had regained composure quickly strengthening the argument that he could continue. The other match was Walkow and DeLeon match for 5th place at 152 and upon further review, I saw that it was perhaps not a loss of consciousness, but just a very still wrestler after his head hit the mat. Tougher call to make, but I can't be sure even watching the video much less from the stands. Great job as usual, Rod. Thanks for the clarification. It reinforces the fact that the guy (or gal) on the mat has the best view in the house. Rob |
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| WrestlingOfficial | Dec 22 2015, 01:39 PM Post #6 |
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I need to subscribe to the trackcast so I can watch that match again. The scenarios I spoke about above are still in my head. For that matter I and all officials should pay the fee to trackcast. This will give us all a chance to watch the matches we officiate and become even better officials. Beyond popular belief when refs make a tough call it bothers them and they want to know if they made the right call. Watching replays of tough calls will only help us become better. Rob do you know how much it costs for a trackcast subscription? |
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| rscrowe | Dec 22 2015, 03:01 PM Post #7 |
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I absolutely agree that watching our matches helps us become better officials. Even if we make the correct call, we can tweak movements and positioning. It isn't always cut and dry and sometimes there are judgments to be made. Fortunately with Freestyle and Greco-Roman, I get to confer with two others on difficult calls. Only occasionally do folkstyle officials get that luxury. The fee for TrackCast is a per event charge. The fee for this event was $9.99 and allows permanent access to the matches. Perhaps Track Wrestling would make videos free to the officials that work them. It seems like a good move to me. Thanks again! Rob |
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| J Latterell | Jan 6 2016, 01:41 PM Post #8 |
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I saw this happen a couple years back and have called and talked to the MSHL. Any injury including loss of consciousness is solely at the discretion of the medical professional/trainer as crazy as that sounds. I was told that as an official if I were on the whistle and I refused to continue to officiate a match under those circumstances that I could face a civil lawsuit and I would lose. I could immediately "see" that the kid was injured and send him back repeatedly until his injury time expired. I find this situation odd seeing as head injuries are of such great concern. I could be wrong, I am often but I just looked it up online and it is still worded as I described. Please tell me I am wrong and where this is different if it is.
Edited by J Latterell, Jan 6 2016, 02:14 PM.
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