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Storm Freestyle vs Greco; Time on Freestyle and Greco
Topic Started: Feb 5 2016, 06:07 PM (2,515 Views)
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We need to even out the training time on freestyle and Greco, kids doing both styles should be able to trai n equal time in both styles before Fargo. The top High School recruits looking at college, that are also thinking international want a strong freestlye program. Greco is great, but we need more freestyle opportunities. That is why Penn St and Okla St are taking the big dogs, my opinion. Freestyle is a better prep for college for our wrestlers, I wouldn't blame wrestlers for declaring one style when they can't put at least equal time in
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Feb 5 2016, 06:07 PM
We need to even out the training time on freestyle and Greco, kids doing both styles should be able to trai n equal time in both styles before Fargo. The top High School recruits looking at college, that are also thinking international want a strong freestlye program. Greco is great, but we need more freestyle opportunities. That is why Penn St and Okla St are taking the big dogs, my opinion. Freestyle is a better prep for college for our wrestlers, I wouldn't blame wrestlers for declaring one style when they can't put at least equal time in
I do not understand what youre saying here ?
A minnesota kid can train in either style, or just one, if thats what he/she wants.
Are you speaking of clubs ? Weekend tournaments ? Or Fargo camp in particular ? Because you do get to choose which camp you go to.....
Edited by Tiny Tornado, Feb 6 2016, 06:42 PM.
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It's getting a little ahead of season, it is regard to storm camp prior to Fargo, if a kid wants to do both styles he has to spend about 90% of his time on Greco and only gets about a day of freestyle, it should be split at the very least. I think doing both is great but if a kid is looking at college it seems that his freestyle performance carries more weight and it seems like the best high schoolers are going to the colleges with the strongest freestyle ties, just an opinion, but I would like to see the time spent equally we might see more kids do both
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Everybody already knows this- it's a well know fact, most college recruiting done at fargo is watching the FS portion ....
If a wrestler is trying to get a college scholarship and hopes to get recognized at Fargo, and FS is his stronger style, and the one with which he hopes to get noticed, then maybe he should consider skipping Greco camp altogether....

If they're doing both styles "just for fun", then they should go to weekend combo tournaments, go to Northern Plains, and/or Cadet or Junior Duals. But when its time for fargo camp- Pick only ONE, do it, and do it well. Not many are talented enough to do both styles at Fargo and come out in the top 8. JMO. Minnesota is not going to c hange the way the camps are set up- its set up that way for a reason.
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Feb 7 2016, 02:59 PM
Minnesota is not going to c hange the way the camps are set up- its set up that way for a reason.
What is the reason?
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Thats not a question for me, you would need to ask any of the coaches, and the Junior
and the Cadet Directors.....
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The reason why kids would do the greco-roman camp only was because the greco tournament started before Freestyle camp was finished.
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Sorry but I disagree. My wrestler was only interested in wrestlng Greco at Fargo, and he was by no means the only one. Also the schedule over the years was not always exactly the same. The tournament itself did not always begin before both camps were over....

The original poster seems to be more concerned with his freestyle success, both at Fargo and as far as moving on to college wrestling. So I'm puzzled as to why he would even consider going to Greco camp in the first place ? Greco camp is for those who put placing in GRECO at Fargo as their highest priority. Otherwise, skip it Go to FS camp instead.
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I don't understand why someone doesn't think that there are enough freestyle opportunities. There are more freestyle tournaments than greco and they are more often on Saturdays as opposed to Fridays. If it is just how the camp is divided just go the freestyle camp and skip Greco entirely. I don't think there is enough exposure to Greco personally.
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I think that kids should be able to opt up to both styles without having to risk their spot in the Fargo freestyle tournament. There are guys that prefer freestyle but want to better themselves so they decide to put in the extra work and do Greco first, only to be informed that they don't get to wrestle in the freestyle tournament the day before it starts. This is at the hotel in Fargo, long after camp. The explanation is that there are not enough spots, but this has happened to junior freestyle state champions and it has been going on for at least a decade.
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I think you have to pay an additional fee in order to do both styles. So I'm pretty sure you would not arrive in fargo without already knowing whether you are going to wrestle in just one tournament, or both ?
I also think it's best to prepare the best you possibly can, for whatever tournament means the most to you. It's a grind- so using Greco as a warm-up ? Not a good plan. JMO
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Feb 5 2016, 06:07 PM
We need to even out the training time on freestyle and Greco, kids doing both styles should be able to trai n equal time in both styles before Fargo. The top High School recruits looking at college, that are also thinking international want a strong freestlye program. Greco is great, but we need more freestyle opportunities. That is why Penn St and Okla St are taking the big dogs, my opinion. Freestyle is a better prep for college for our wrestlers, I wouldn't blame wrestlers for declaring one style when they can't put at least equal time in
I don't think kids are choosing PSU or OSU because of how the Fargo camp in Minnesota is run. I don't think any kid that was not otherwise going to be a Gopher would be because of the Fargo camp being changed.

It seems you have 2 seperate arguments coming together. College choice has nothing to do with how a state preps for Fargo otherwise Illinois would have all the top recruiting classes every year.
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Where can you find information for the Storm Camp? A web page for the mn-storm.org/ seemed way out of date. Not sure if there's a different one?
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I'm sure this years information is not yet available. It will get posted as soon as it
is ready.
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Any one know if the Mankato combo Freco trny is a qualifier for schoolboy/cadet state?
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Mar 7 2016, 06:08 PM
Any one know if the Mankato combo Freco trny is a qualifier for schoolboy/cadet state?
We are a qualifier. Click on link below for more info.

http://www.maywc.com/event/show/290290248?referrer_id=1491826-calendar
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My computer security will not allow me to visit information.
for cadets do the top 3 qualify??
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Searched around and seen that the Anoka qualifier has this as a basic qualifying rule.
Brackets of 5 and more top 4 qualify.
Brackets of 4 or les up to 2 qualify if I read that correctly.
Gives me at least a base to tell the kids at practice.

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As per the info I found on the MNUSA site....


MN State Freestyle Qualifying Procedures
Brackets of 4 or less competitors --The top 2 wrestlers qualify.
Brackets of 5 or more competitors --The top 4 wrestlers qualify.
If a wrestler has already qualified based on the performance indicated above, the next wrestler in line will qualify. This information will be posted on the MN/USA website approximately one week after the second tournament of the season. In order to know whether an athlete has qualified who did not meet the above criteria, please check the MN/USA Wrestling website often. There will be a link to a list of qualified wrestlers. The list will be updated as soon as the tournament provides the information to the State office.
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JEV you seem to have a finger on the heart beat. I printed off a page from last years stats with Uncle Sam on it say we want you. Has some great stats on there of all the figures on how the kids did from the year before wrestling in the summer and how they did at state. Has some great stats on there. It would be interesting if someone could update that with the 2016 results. Truly amazing the results the FRECO season showing its face at the HS. State Trny every year.
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